Shenmue BOR?

Chainfist · Post by **Chainfist** » Thu May 20, 2004 2:50 am

Since Shenmue 3 looks a ways away.. anyone working on a Shenmue BOR mod?

DeGamer · Post by **DeGamer** » Thu May 20, 2004 8:07 am

How will you get sprites for this?

Mikey242 · Post by **Mikey242** » Thu May 20, 2004 9:46 am

nice idea but really difficult to do since you will have to make the sprites.

Chainfist · Post by **Chainfist** » Thu May 20, 2004 12:37 pm

hummm.. I've been looking into the BOR source. And given the sprites are on a GIF file, it is possible to do a video frame capture of Shenmue at 320X240 resolution while Ryo practices his moves or is in combat with other characters. These stills could be Photo Shopped to make up the sprites for his moves. ( I think it would give a Mortal Kombat style of realism in this case)

This could also be done with the First Person perspective in the game to take still shots of the environment for the backgrounds.

Also voice, music and sound effects can be captured from the video feed as well.

Though, it is likely that capturing still shots and recording the music is illegal in this case and with that in mind it may be better for me to produce the sprites myself and come up with original music, which would likely result in a game that sucks...

Lartrak · Post by **Lartrak** » Thu May 20, 2004 2:31 pm

It's not illegal, fair use - it wouldn't be any more illegal than regular BOR, which has copyrighted sprites and music out the ying yang. Well, I guess Canada might be different.

Chainfist · Post by **Chainfist** » Fri May 21, 2004 12:23 am

Yeah.. I think I'll go ahead with trying screen frame captures instead of producing sprites.

Talking with fans from work, we brainstormed some ideas and came up with a concept. a Pre-Shenmue #1 game. We're going to call it "Shenmue Zero".

Ryo, Masayuki Fukuhara and Nozomi Harasaki will be the main playable characters. The setting will be in Yokosuka prior to and including the initial encounter with Lan-Di.

Enemies will Include sailors, bikers, the 3 Yokosuka Punks, mean school girls, Forklift Drivers, Men in dark suits and black cars. Ryo will encounter them on his way home from school, not knowing the grim fate that awaits his father at the end of his destination.

Since Lan Di kicked Ryo's ass in Shenmue #1, I'll likely have to raise Lan Di's health bar so high he'll be nearly impossible to beat...

Skynet · Post by **Skynet** » Fri May 21, 2004 7:18 am

If someone did this... I would download this game in a second!!!

Shenmue is faaaaaaantastic!

Lartrak · Post by **Lartrak** » Fri May 21, 2004 1:39 pm

Good luck. It will be very difficult to get the proper sprites (just getting the right angle), but it should be possible with enough patience.

aisupikku · Post by **aisupikku** » Fri May 21, 2004 3:31 pm

I agree! This sounds very interesting, and I wish you the best of luck with it, also. It sort of reminds me of how someone was making a Tekken character into a BOR character, which gave it a different sort of appearance...

I'm also a big fan of Sega titles serving as inspiration for BOR modifications... A tribute to a Sega game, modified into another tribute to another Sega game and played on a Sega system -- It goes as well together as it should!

BOR is sort of a "hybrid," though, of course... and, I think that hybrids are pretty cool in their own way, especially when the two (or more) involved appear to be similar in some way (and mutually beneficial!).

Anyway, back on topic. It is neat that you have people near you that you are brainstorming with, and it seems as though it will help out with development of this modification by a fair amount... I look forward to this; in fact, it is probably in the number one spot on my "looking forward to" list!

kungpow12345 · Post by **kungpow12345** » Fri May 21, 2004 9:00 pm

Actually, you could make a Tekken character into a BoR character but it won't be really good quality. You can get it from Tekken Advance. Now...Shenmue...that'll be much much tougher. Besides, you probably won't get the same effect as the real Shenmue game unless you changed a lot of the code around so you can make it to where it's a working adventure title. I can see it happening, but it's going to take some clever coding to do this.

aisupikku · Post by **aisupikku** » Sat May 22, 2004 1:25 am

Oh... Tekken Advance? I didn't know that there was such a thing! I'll have to check that out, to see what the pixel art versions of the characters look like -- thanks for the tip!

I was thinking that a "BOR Shenmue" might be a 'brawler' interpretation of the original masterpiece, as opposed to a re-make of the game... After all, I think that one of the neat aspects about BOR is that it allows fans of games to create homages to their favorite game franchises in a style that might not be the same as the original -- Of course fighters and brawlers can go hand in hand very well, but, it can be very interesting to see modifications inspired by sources that might not necessarily jump out as "potential BOR modifications... " I agree that a Shenmue 1.5 (or 2.5?) would be very cool, but, i think that this Shenmue Zero will be an excellent addition as well! Perhaps there will be some neat little side stories along the way, to satisfy wishes for a more adventure-type game...

[edit] Well, that wasn't what I was thinking it would be -- Tekken Advance is indeed like a port of Tekken 3! That's pretty neat, but, I had imagined a from-the-ground-up pocket fighter like the ones on NeoGeo Pocket... Speaking of which; I still need to get one of those! Maybe I could find one before an upcoming road trip...

farrell2k · Post by **farrell2k** » Sat May 22, 2004 11:43 pm

Lartrak wrote:It's not illegal, fair use - it wouldn't be any more illegal than regular BOR, which has copyrighted sprites and music out the ying yang. Well, I guess Canada might be different.

LOL How in the world is this fair use? The original BOR is illegal as all hell.

Skynet · Post by **Skynet** » Sun May 23, 2004 12:16 am

The original BOR is illegal as all hell.

Not if you took away all sprites, sounds and music

kungpow12345 · Post by **kungpow12345** » Sun May 23, 2004 6:56 am

I had a really stupid idea the other day but why can't we do a version on Shenmue for BoR with Ryo being a cosplay person? I mean sure it sounds stupid, but it would be much easier than trying to capture the bad quality sprites or even worse, trying to edit your own. This topic really has sparked my thinking process and I do think this one should be done one way or another. You can put in cutscenes to further move the game along but I would agree with the brawler type format for this Shenmue.

If any of you guys are interested, reply back so we can get this ball moving like your ideas on a story or places or even people. Nizomi comes back from Canada? Maybe. Joy joins up with Ryo to get Lun Di? Maybe that too. Don't be shy. If you really wanna do it, let's start planning it.

Let's pay tribute to our "fallen comrade."

Chainfist · Post by **Chainfist** » Sun May 23, 2004 1:13 pm

I always thought since Nozomi went to Canada. Its Possible the story line for Shenmue 3 may have ties to Canada. Such as Lan Di hide'n out in China Town and holding Nozomi hostage. Ryo having to decide between her life and letting Lan Di have the power he seeks...

Lartrak · Post by **Lartrak** » Sun May 23, 2004 3:43 pm

farrell2k wrote:
Lartrak wrote:It's not illegal, fair use - it wouldn't be any more illegal than regular BOR, which has copyrighted sprites and music out the ying yang. Well, I guess Canada might be different.
LOL How in the world is this fair use? The original BOR is illegal as all hell.

I just read the copyright law. You are correct, unless you really stretch the reason BOR was made in the first place.

kungpow12345 · Post by **kungpow12345** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 10:47 pm

Braze and kungpow12345 to make....

Shenmue! More later...

aisupikku · Post by **aisupikku** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 11:54 pm

kungpow12345, are you doing something for everything?

Definitely a "modder of rage" -- The BOR modification multitasker!

kungpow12345 · Post by **kungpow12345** » Sun Jun 06, 2004 12:01 am

I'm a man of many talents, what can i say

Skynet · Post by **Skynet** » Sun Jun 06, 2004 12:23 am

All I can say is...

Shenmue BOR?

Shenmue BOR?

Just a teaser...