compiling for dreamcast.

bizzle · Post by **bizzle** » Fri Dec 06, 2002 7:19 pm

ok. i am in need of a little help. i got a few things i would like to comile for the dreamcast. first of all, i need to know how to set up a compiler in windows xp for dreamcast. second i need to know where i can find some documents to set the controls for teh dreamcast. like what buttons on the controller/keyboard do what. any help will be appriciated. and if someone could post some info on KOS and what it is exactly, it would be nice. thanks in advance.

toastman · Post by **toastman** » Fri Dec 06, 2002 7:40 pm

For setting up your development environment in Windows XP, do a Google search for "Cygwin Windows XP". That's all the help I can give there, as I do my work on a Linux box.
The controls are pretty simple but it is really a specific subset of your next question, so I'll hold on this.
KOS is an OS/lib/HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) for the Dreamcast. It provides you with everything an OS usually does (on a programming level) and then some more. Threading, memory allocation, file system, images, sound, controls, 3D and 2D graphics are all handled through KOS. It's the main tool of like 90% of the development community.
The controller/keyboard code is a part of KOS. Just initialize a controller and poll the state when you need to check it.
The exact functions escape me right now (namely because I have a controller class that handles it all for me, plus a little more.) But the examples are riddled with controller usage, so it's not too hard to find something that will get you started.

bizzle · Post by **bizzle** » Fri Dec 06, 2002 7:45 pm

is there a controller/keyboard control library included with KOS?

bizzle · Post by **bizzle** » Fri Dec 06, 2002 7:48 pm

i mean i am completly new to the dc programming scene, so this is a dumb question, but does the KOS os run on the dc itself? or through cygwin?

anyone will experience setting up this stuff in windows xp, please post anything you know. thanks in advance.

bizzle · Post by **bizzle** » Fri Dec 06, 2002 8:31 pm

just wondering but, will the partial installation of cygwin be enough? or do i need the full thing?

toastman · Post by **toastman** » Fri Dec 06, 2002 8:39 pm

The controller code is a part of the core KOS lib. When you inlcude KOS, you include this.
KOS is for the DC. It doesn't run as a you think an OS does. (What you actually run in an OS is called a shell, it provides a user interface to the OS. For example Windows' shell is explorer, this can be changed. There is a KOS shell (KOSH), but there is no real use for it.)

Stuff KOS includes (imparital list, as it is off the top of my head):

Controller Support
Keyboard Support
VMU Support
CD-ROM support
CDDA support
A version of OpenGL known as KGL
png, jpeg, and pcx image file support
Ogg/Vorbis support
MP3 support (GPL lib)
PVR support
WAV file support
S3M support

I can't think of anything else that is real major at this point. And some of this isn't included in the main library, but can be added as you wish.

bizzle · Post by **bizzle** » Fri Dec 06, 2002 8:49 pm

anyone know if the partial installation of cygwin will be enough to run and gcc? and set up a development enviorment?

Post by **BlueCrab** » Fri Dec 06, 2002 9:31 pm

Personally, even a partial installation of cygwin is huge. If you are going to go with cygwin, make sure you have GCC, bash, fileutils, diffutils, cvs, and any other required stuff installed. (it will select the required stuff as needed).

Personally, I'd go with MinGW and MSYS for your environment (on windows, instead of Cygwin). Its a bit more difficult to get going, but it is about quarter to half the size (on your hard drive which is great for me, I only have 10GB, and Cygwin took up 2GB, MinGW 500MB). I can give you easy to follow instructions for either of the two environments, but I'm more experienced with MinGW.

bizzle · Post by **bizzle** » Fri Dec 06, 2002 9:40 pm

BlueCrab wrote:Personally, even a partial installation of cygwin is huge. If you are going to go with cygwin, make sure you have GCC, bash, fileutils, diffutils, cvs, and any other required stuff installed. (it will select the required stuff as needed).

Personally, I'd go with MinGW and MSYS for your environment (on windows, instead of Cygwin). Its a bit more difficult to get going, but it is about quarter to half the size (on your hard drive which is great for me, I only have 10GB, and Cygwin took up 2GB, MinGW 500MB). I can give you easy to follow instructions for either of the two environments, but I'm more experienced with MinGW.

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bizzle · Post by **bizzle** » Sat Dec 07, 2002 7:22 am

ok, i got cygwin all installed, does any one know of any guides that can give me some help setting this stuff up? i havent really seen any yet.

reaper2k2 · Post by **reaper2k2** » Sat Dec 07, 2002 7:38 am

I posted a faq once for some one what you should do is use the search on this forum and keywords like cygwin or kos and toolchain

you find some good info i use this forum like that all the time

or view all the posts of the devver's and most times theres helpfull posts

i did not use the faqs or guild that were about when i tryed they left me with one tool chain that could not do c++ and the other was not really upto date ether

use the prebuilt tool chains if you get stuck there was one whole set posted at CV teenie guild or some think i dont go there much but its tested and works look in the dev forum over there as well

bizzle · Post by **bizzle** » Sat Dec 07, 2002 7:55 am

well i am just going to compile C, no c++, for now thegatesofbill is showing me this stuff, if i need more help, i'll ask
thanks

Post by **BlueCrab** » Sat Dec 07, 2002 10:14 am

Sorry about not replying before, but I kinda got on an online game right after posting here, so I never saw your request that I get on AIM.

bizzle · Post by **bizzle** » Sat Dec 07, 2002 1:44 pm

what does the sh4 for an arm tool kit include at http://dev.dcemulation.org/started-step1c.htm
?

q_006 · Post by **q_006** » Sat Dec 07, 2002 5:58 pm

OK!
I have dial - up and Dev-C++(which has MinGW).
I have a Dreamcast and plenty of CDRs.

Now what do I do?

Is there some site that can tell how I can develop on the DC with what I have?

Do I need more?

Please help!!!

(i know this question has been asked a billion times.... and i searched the forums.... but it seems like one person it can be done with Dev-C, another says it can't, then another says you need MinGW/MSYS (no Dev-C), then someone else says download the monstrous Cygwin..... i'm confused

)

bizzle · Post by **bizzle** » Sat Dec 07, 2002 6:11 pm

i am checking this out now,

http://www.consolevision.com/forums/YaB ... 1033424733

seems helpful

Post by **BlueCrab** » Sat Dec 07, 2002 8:45 pm

If you are going to use MinGW at all (for DC Dev), you need MSYS.
If you want more info, let me know.

q_006 · Post by **q_006** » Sun Dec 08, 2002 2:17 am

I would like (much

) more info.
Thanks a bunch!

Post by **BlueCrab** » Mon Dec 09, 2002 4:04 am

I'm reworking a script that I wrote a while back, I'll let you know when it is ready.

q_006 · Post by **q_006** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 11:22 pm

I just downloaded MSYS and you're right it is much smaller.
i was trying to run the install and it asked where the MingW compiler was. since i didn't know exactly i stopped midway.

so my question is there a tutorial/site that you (BlueCrab) or anyone else can give/show me that can allow me to install the two correctly and begin programming?

i would appreciate this a lot thanks

p.s. where it says: tell where MingW compiler is located in the form: c:/foo/bar; since DevC++ has the MW compiler already install with it do I just put c:/devc ? or something else?

compiling for dreamcast.

compiling for dreamcast.

Instructions.....

Yes Please

i have Dev-C ++ 4.0 and MSYS....