Timbaland/Nelly Furtado steal demoscene track

Sir Slash · Post by **Sir Slash** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:34 pm

thats the problem with a lot of music today...so much stuff isn't orginal, just samples...and well this stolen

VB_User · Post by **VB_User** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:07 pm

Butters Im not trying to defend what he did promote this type of thing i just think its pretty stupid to say that hes clearly not a musician because of this. This type of thing has happend before and will happen again , but that doesnt mean that the person that did it is not talented. If timberland wasnt talented people wouldnt be paying him millions of dollars to produce their albums.

deemoney · Post by **deemoney** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:16 pm

is that the truth or are you talkin trash
is your game MVP like steve nash?

butters · Post by **butters** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:38 pm

VB_User wrote:Butters Im not trying to defend what he did promote this type of thing i just think its pretty stupid to say that hes clearly not a musician because of this. This type of thing has happend before and will happen again , but that doesnt mean that the person that did it is not talented. If timberland wasnt talented people wouldnt be paying him millions of dollars to produce their albums.

I never said nor meant to imply anything of the sort. I don't listen to that genre of music or keep up with it, so anything I've said in this topic is based solely on my observances from the youtube videos and sound clips.

Post by **|darc|** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:19 am

Wow. I found out he responded to this controversy.

This guy is an idiot and is completely full of himself. And he seems to have no concept of the legal stuff that goes on when it comes to sampling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTvY3wZrHrQ

Timbaland interviewed on "Elliot in the Morning", 2007-02-02
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transcribed by Matt Westcott - comments and corrections to gasman@raww.org

Presenter: Timbaland is with us this morning - the CD "Shock Value", that's up
next for you. Interesting mix of people on it.
Timbaland: Yes. Lot of shocking news.
P: Let me ask you this. How hard is it- well, I mean, it's easy for you to, like
you said, create a beat. Is it, um- we were talking about it before you got
here. Is- If somebody is close to the same level as you are, is it
conceivable that two people could sit down and create something that's
pretty similar?
T: [long pause] You could have sampled something to similar, but you can't- In
our opin- Music today, you [look at] some old song, and it's like "hey,
that's how [it went], this song out today".
P: Right.
T: And what if they got it from that. And somebody says, "I've never heard that
song a day in my life." Music isn't nothing but sounds and notes that
repeats itself.
P: Do you feel like you get ripped off a lot?
T: Yeah. All the time, but I'm used to it now. But now I'm like "Hey, you love
me don't you." That's what I tell people. "You love me, I'm [all your
mine]".
P: Have you ever ripped anybody else off?
T: Er - I haven't *ripped* nobody else off. But have I sampled? Hell, yeah.
P: Right.
T: I didn't rip- go say "Hey I'm gonna steal your beat". I don't have to, I'm
too good. [laughs]
P: Now what is the- so what's with the- okay, I love it! - What's with the case
with these- with the Finnish guys, who say-
T: Finn- er...
P: From Finland, who say you stole their stuff?
T: I put it this way. 'Cause, that mess is so ridiculous, I can't really talk
about it because I'm in legal- legal discussions and whatever, but I'm gonna
tell you, if people- That's what I don't believe. Look at my face- I don't
know who they faces are.
P: Right.
T: The hell wrong with them? [laughs] That's all I can tell you.
P: Right.
T: It's from a video game, idiot! [laughs]
P: [laughs]
T: Freaking jerk.
P: So that's, so that's all in, tied up in court right now?
T: Yeah, 'cause it's like, my whole thing is, yeah, because don't say I stole
some- like, you act- like you just say- A sample, and stole, are two
different things.
P: Right. Give me the quick definition that splits those.
T: S- Stole is like I walked in your house, watch you make that beat, took your
pro tools and went to my place and gave it to Nells and said "Hey, I got
this great song."
P: Right.
T: Is he crazy? I live in America. I don't even stay in Finla- I ain't gonna get
into it. Then sample is like, you heard it somewhere, and you just sample it.
P: Right.
T: But you didn't know, maybe you didn't know who it was by because it don't
have the credits listed.
P: Right.
T: So you just use it. Hey, I don't know, I like it, but I'm gonna use it.
Maybe somebody, you know, might well put a sample claim in, or, I don't
know. You know what I'm saying, but-
P: Right.
T: I like it, I don't have no researchin'- time is coming up when I got to turn
a record in.
P: Right.
T: So, that's what sampling is. That's not stealing, 'cause everybody sample
from everybody every day.
P: Right.
T: And that's what a sample is, like, it maybe [even needs a] credit, cause,
hey, I sampled it, I got it from a game. I don't know.
P: Right.
T: And you have a listen. And it say, C-64, Commodore 64. I don't know. You know
what I'm saying? So, I like it. I found it. I got sounds upon sounds upon
sound. I don't know what's public domain and what's not. Some stuff don't
say.
P: Right.
T: Some stuff say it, it says it.
P: So the stuff that's public, you just - "F- it, I'm gonna use it"?
T: Yeah, you can use it. It's like, I think Swizzy got sued one time for using
the Casio thing, in the Casio equipment that you buy. But who- well I think
they settled, because it's like "Yo, I brought 'em keyboard. I brought it.
They made it for me to use..."
P: Right.
T: "It was a demo in there that I like, and I flip it a certain way - how you
gonna sue me? It's a demo. I brought - the demo."
P: Right.
T: "Don't - you can't sue me for buying what I b- I purchased this." You just
say "Hey, by the way, don't sample"- it's like, "Well why am I gonna buy the
keyboard?" You know?
P: In the world you live in, in terms of being a producer, does that kind of
stuff, all the behind-the-scenes legal stuff, does that go on a lot?
T: It go on a lot 'cause everybody want to come out of the woodwork, say like
"you done something. You stole this." Or, You- whatever. Whatever. Whatever.
Whatever. Come on man, I'm good.
P: [laughs]

not just souLLy now · Post by **not just souLLy now** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:33 am

Heh, "Hey by the way, don't download my album" "Well why am I gonna buy the Laptop, you know"

I like some of Timbaland's music, he does do some interesting stuff, but it's like the neptunes a while back, everyone's using him at the moment so every other song in the charts sounds like a trademark (nyuk nyuk) Timbaland beat.

His song with Bjork is awesome though.

BlackAura · Post by **BlackAura** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:25 am

What an idiot. He's essentially admitted that, not only did he actually copy the thing (but apparently it's "just sampling", as if that somehow makes it OK), but that he quite freely does that, without considering even for a moment what he's doing. I wonder how many of his other works were ripped off from some obscure some nobody's heard of.

He also seems unable to assemble a coherent sentence, which does nothing for his credibility.

I find it interesting that an industry which is so litigious and paranoid about copyright infringement would be seen to encourage plagiarism so openly. As long as it's someone else's work (or more accurately, something they don't own), they don't care.

Bastards, the lot of them.

Skynet · Post by **Skynet** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:12 am

And that post right there is why you're awesome BA.

Guy seems like a complete tool and I hope he gets what's coming to him.

Covar · Post by **Covar** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:41 am

at least with a cover, the original artist gets credit. i'm sorry sampling == taking someones work and claiming it for your own and it does not equal musical talent.

vanilla ice anyone?

Skynet · Post by **Skynet** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:09 am

i'm sorry sampling == taking someones work and claiming it for your own and it does not equal musical talent.

I've always felt that way.

Post by **Specially Cork** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:15 am

Maybe you didn't know who it was by because it don't
have the credits listed. So you just use it.

What a complete moron.

Ex-Cyber · Post by **Ex-Cyber** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:32 am

Covar wrote:at least with a cover, the original artist gets credit. i'm sorry sampling == taking someones work and claiming it for your own and it does not equal musical talent.

vanilla ice anyone?

Well, I think it's important to distinguish between lifting a whole melody or large portion of a song versus taking really short samples (like 1 note or chord) and actually using them as instruments in an original composition. To my mind, the latter is the true meaning of the term "sampling", and using that term to describe wholesale plagiarism is just a really bad euphemism that happens to be popular.

Post by **Roofus** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:13 am

So wait, I can buy a Casio keyboard, record the demo setting, release it as my own and make a ton of money? Awesome!

mink03 · Post by **mink03** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:53 am

very awesome find... can't wait to show the guys at work this one

az_bont · Post by **az_bont** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:07 am

It seems he has also ripped off a lot of Arabic music, too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPvWfvq0oOM

Post by **melancholy** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:11 am

Is that guy even in touch with reality? I mean, look at this part:

T: So, I like it. I found it....I don't know what's public domain and what's not. Some stuff don't say.
P: So the stuff that's public, you just - "F- it, I'm gonna use it"?
T: Yeah, you can use it.

In other words, if someone were to post a song on this forum, and didn't put credentials as to where the song came from, it's free to use.

Also, this quote particularly cracked me up:

Is he crazy? I live in America. I don't even stay in [Finland]

Post by **|darc|** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:58 pm

az_bont wrote:It seems he has also ripped off a lot of Arabic music, too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPvWfvq0oOM

Oh, and I also forgot to point out that he stole Acid Jazzed Evening for a collection of ringtones.

If you had any doubt about "Do It", then this makes it quite obvious that he stole the song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV2fTEeP6GM

Post by **Specially Cork** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:12 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Timba ... ontroversy

Timbaland wrote:"It makes me laugh. The part I don't understand, the dude is trying to act like I went to his house and took it from his computer. I don't know him from a can of paint. I'm 15 years deep. That's how you attack a king? You attack moi? Come on, man. You got to come correct. You the laughing stock. People are like, 'You can't be serious.'"

This guy is so up his own ass it is unbelievable.

Thomas · Post by **Thomas** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:26 pm

All the comments on youtube ate hilarious about how all hip-hop producers sample. I'm sure a lot of the mainstream ones indeed do sample, but I'm sure they also give credit where credit is due. I think sampling is dumb, if you can't create something original that is good you have no rights to be a "musician".

Luriden · Post by **Luriden** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:29 pm

Thomas wrote:All the comments on youtube ate hilarious about how all hip-hop producers sample. I'm sure a lot of the mainstream ones indeed do sample, but I'm sure they also give credit where credit is due. I think sampling is dumb, if you can't create something original that is good you have no rights to be a "musician".

This is true. I always thought Puff Daddy used to be the "king of sampling" in that he could never make a song without sampling a beat from someone else. However, I used to have No Way Out and he credited every single artist in the booklet. I'm not a Puff Daddy/P. Diddy/Diddy/Michael Bolton fan by any means, but at least he has respect for the original artists.

And to think, I used to really like Timbaland. I thought he made some really interesting beats back when he worked with Aaliyah.