Verdict Reached in Moussaoui Sentencing

arrowhead · Post by **arrowhead** » Wed May 03, 2006 3:36 pm

He will not die, life in prison only.

Discuss if you want.

Post by **Roofus** » Wed May 03, 2006 3:53 pm

Here's a link

Considering he didn't actually do anything, sounds OK to me.

Covar · Post by **Covar** » Wed May 03, 2006 4:15 pm

at least he didn't walk

butters · Post by **butters** » Wed May 03, 2006 4:18 pm

Roofus wrote:Here's a link

Considering he didn't actually do anything, sounds OK to me.

That's the point. He could have saved all of those lives if he had come forward.

arrowhead · Post by **arrowhead** » Wed May 03, 2006 5:09 pm

I didnt want him to get the death penalty actually. I didnt want him to become a martyr.

Post by **Roofus** » Wed May 03, 2006 5:24 pm

butters wrote:
Roofus wrote:Here's a link

Considering he didn't actually do anything, sounds OK to me.
That's the point. He could have saved all of those lives if he had come forward.

Not coming forward isn't a capital crime.

butters · Post by **butters** » Wed May 03, 2006 11:57 pm

Roofus wrote:
butters wrote:
Roofus wrote:Here's a link

Considering he didn't actually do anything, sounds OK to me.
That's the point. He could have saved all of those lives if he had come forward.
Not coming forward isn't a capital crime.

Being involved in planning the murder of thousands is though.

CKRNZ · Post by **CKRNZ** » Thu May 04, 2006 4:16 am

shoulda sentenced him to a death flight onboard a beatup cessna right into a sewage plant,then swiftly erected a mockery of the new martyrs status with his fellow turds...

Post by **Tyne** » Thu May 04, 2006 10:08 am

Life in prison > Death in terms of punishment

Why? Simple! The person lives the rest of their life in a crappy jail and then dies after suffering there instead of just skipping straight to death.

butters · Post by **butters** » Thu May 04, 2006 10:32 am

Tyne wrote:Life in prison > Death in terms of punishment

Why? Simple! The person lives the rest of their life in a crappy jail and then dies after suffering there instead of just skipping straight to death.

Life in a federal max security prison costs ~$100,000/year. Still better than just killing the scum?

Post by **Roofus** » Thu May 04, 2006 11:14 am

butters wrote:
Roofus wrote:
butters wrote:
Roofus wrote:Here's a link

Considering he didn't actually do anything, sounds OK to me.
That's the point. He could have saved all of those lives if he had come forward.
Not coming forward isn't a capital crime.
Being involved in planning the murder of thousands is though.

It sure is. Too bad he didn't actually do that.

Ex-Cyber · Post by **Ex-Cyber** » Thu May 04, 2006 1:46 pm

butters wrote:Life in a federal max security prison costs ~$100,000/year.

Source? This sounds like one of those soundbites that pundits produce by playing with numbers.

Post by **BlueCrab** » Thu May 04, 2006 1:48 pm

Tyne wrote:Life in prison > Death in terms of punishment

Why? Simple! The person lives the rest of their life in a crappy jail and then dies after suffering there instead of just skipping straight to death.

My thoughts exactly.

Post by **Roofus** » Thu May 04, 2006 2:52 pm

butters wrote:
Tyne wrote:Life in prison > Death in terms of punishment

Why? Simple! The person lives the rest of their life in a crappy jail and then dies after suffering there instead of just skipping straight to death.
Life in a federal max security prison costs ~$100,000/year. Still better than just killing the scum?

Yep.

ghostparty · Post by **ghostparty** » Thu May 04, 2006 2:55 pm

CKRNZ wrote:shoulda sentenced him to a death flight onboard a beatup cessna right into a sewage plant,then swiftly erected a mockery of the new martyrs status with his fellow turds...

But then we have to build another damn sewage plant...

butters · Post by **butters** » Thu May 04, 2006 2:55 pm

Ex-Cyber wrote:
butters wrote:Life in a federal max security prison costs ~$100,000/year.
Source? This sounds like one of those soundbites that pundits produce by playing with numbers.

They were throwing that number around on Fox News yesterday. Today they were showing what the Federal Ultramax Prison is like. 2 armed guards at all times, only ~40 prisoners in the whole thing, solitary confinement 23 hours a day, 1 hour a day of recreation while legs are chained, all cell furniture made of stone (including the bed). Most folks would rather die than have to go there.

Post by **Roofus** » Thu May 04, 2006 2:58 pm

butters wrote:
Ex-Cyber wrote:
butters wrote:Life in a federal max security prison costs ~$100,000/year.
Source? This sounds like one of those soundbites that pundits produce by playing with numbers.
They were throwing that number around on Fox News yesterday.

I don't care what it costs. Look at it like this: If you lock a guy up for life and it turns out he's innocent, you can let him out and pay him off. You can't give him the time back, but at least he's still alive.

Now suppose you sentence a guy to death and it turns out he's innocent. What can you do then? The state has murdered an innocent person.

If the price is really an issue, feed them cheaper food, cut back on privileges, etc. No one said prison is supposed to be fun.

butters · Post by **butters** » Thu May 04, 2006 3:01 pm

Roofus wrote: I don't care what it costs. Look at it like this: If you lock a guy up for life and it turns out he's innocent, you can let him out and pay him off. You can't give him the time back, but at least he's still alive.

Now suppose you sentence a guy to death and it turns out he's innocent. What can you do then? The state has murdered an innocent person.

Facts are facts. I don't care either way - both life and death are both harsh punishments. Look at my edit to my earlier post for the conditions of the prison he will be a guest at the rest of his life.

Post by **Roofus** » Thu May 04, 2006 3:11 pm

My understanding was that thoe places are reserved for people who do stuff while already in prison.

And yeah, that place does sound pretty harsh.

butters · Post by **butters** » Thu May 04, 2006 3:15 pm

Roofus wrote:My understanding was that thoe places are reserved for people who do stuff while already in prison.

And yeah, that place does sound pretty harsh.

They were saying that only the worst federal criminals are put in there; the ones that do things that are considered treasonous. Timothy McVey is in there.