Project ' Efezer? - F-Zero to the Dreamcast

emptythought · Post by **emptythought** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:42 pm

While I was following links regarding to the Dreamcast BIOS, I came across news of a port of the F-Zero game to the Dreamcast, GP32, Windows, Linux, Amiga, X-BOX, Beos, OS/X, etc. I don't know much about it so I thought I'd rather make a post, rather than putting it on the main page of ConsoleVison.

Here's a translated version of the website (Spanish to English).

Storminator16 · Post by **Storminator16** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:54 pm

I've noticed a trend lately that I don't like. I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for saying this: why so many remakes? I like remakes, but if we continue to dwelve on the past how the hell do we move forward? It shows lack of creativity in some regards, but it still cool that someone respects a property so much to make a fan game based on it. Still, infringing on someone elses copyright isn't cool. For some one states the obvious, Beats of Rage and Smash DC are clones, so don't beat that over my head. Clones are not "remakes".

VampiricS · Post by **VampiricS** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:54 pm

Well... if it's real... it's cool indeed !

Clarkbar · Post by **Clarkbar** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 8:01 pm

Agreed. I'm all for the "new" stuff.

X525 · Post by **X525** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 9:38 pm

wow.. looks sbiffy..

karsten · Post by **karsten** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 3:02 am

WillSams wrote:I've noticed a trend lately that I don't like. I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for saying this: why so many remakes? I like remakes, but if we continue to dwelve on the past how the hell do we move forward? It shows lack of creativity in some regards, but it still cool that someone respects a property so much to make a fan game based on it. Still, infringing on someone elses copyright isn't cool. For some one states the obvious, Beats of Rage and Smash DC are clones, so don't beat that over my head. Clones are not "remakes".

I've never flamed anyone, but HEy! this time i went close!

F-zero on dreamcast is a DREAM! The good ol' f-zero with his mode 7 and TOTALLY FLATTISH TRACKS!

just great! I hope it's true

Ender · Post by **Ender** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 3:22 am

WillSams wrote:I've noticed a trend lately that I don't like. I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for saying this: why so many remakes? I like remakes, but if we continue to dwelve on the past how the hell do we move forward? It shows lack of creativity in some regards, but it still cool that someone respects a property so much to make a fan game based on it. Still, infringing on someone elses copyright isn't cool. For some one states the obvious, Beats of Rage and Smash DC are clones, so don't beat that over my head. Clones are not "remakes".

You know, I've been meaning to say the same thing over the past couple of weeks, but never got around to it. Problem is, you're assuming that programmers have creativity

DaMadFiddler · Post by **DaMadFiddler** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 3:26 am

Personally, I don't have a problem with it. Original games are nice; there's no denying. But maybe the person only wants to do remake "X"? I'd much rather have that remake than nothing at all

. It's a fun way to pay tribute to a game you like, and can help get you on your feet--both in skill and in interest--for making your own thing a little on down the road.

...Just my two cents.

karsten · Post by **karsten** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 3:28 am

fackue wrote:While I was following links regarding to the Dreamcast BIOS, I came across news of a port of the F-Zero game to the Dreamcast, GP32, Windows, Linux, Amiga, xbox, Beos, OS/X, etc. I don't know much about it so I thought I'd rather make a post, rather than putting it on the main page of ConsoleVison.

Here's a translated version of the website (Spanish to English).

I forgot: why don't you send us a few news sometimes?
the translation is patetic...

(i guessed you can read spanish

)

Nyarlathotep · Post by **Nyarlathotep** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 6:41 am

WillSams wrote:Clones are not "remakes".

Uh.. whats the difference other than the graphics?

Ian Micheal · Post by **Ian Micheal** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 7:43 am

I dont see much at all. The code of the engine for one but Who looks at the code if your not a programer how are you going to tell if the clone has a new written from scatch engine when it uses the same sprites. Clone remake = the same thing in english remake = a clone of the game.

cky2k3 · Post by **cky2k3** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:29 am

My m8 has a F-Zero looky-likey game on his GP32 it looks to me like its sprites were ripped from fzero2 on the snes

dunno i its the same game in question here though

Storminator16 · Post by **Storminator16** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:28 am

Dr Wily wrote:
WillSams wrote:Clones are not "remakes".
Uh.. whats the difference other than the graphics?

Say for instance, Beats of Rage. It's not called "Streets of Rage", nor is it using characters (a story line associated) to the Streets of Rage lineage. It's a clone.

Now, this game with "F-Zero" smacked into the title. I haven't looked, so I'm not sure if it's using Nintendo's characters or not. That's a fan based remake.

I'm surprised I was asked that question. This will be the last time I visit this thread, because I'm sure someone is going to piss me off.

karsten · Post by **karsten** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:09 am

patetic

OneThirty8 · Post by **OneThirty8** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:20 am

Before this thread degenerates into a fight, um, please don't let your discussion degenerate into a fight.

I don't want to have to lock it.

karsten · Post by **karsten** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:32 am

guess you're right but things like:

I'm surprised I was asked that question. This will be the last time I visit this thread, because I'm sure someone is going to piss me off.

are just patetic.

thougt, shame on me for replying

Nyarlathotep · Post by **Nyarlathotep** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:29 pm

WillSams wrote: I'm surprised I was asked that question.

Why would you be surprised at me questioning your terminology?

As far as I'm concerned a 'remake' is done by the company who originally made the game in the first place, a clone is anything that 'imitates it' (ripping off is too emotive a term

) usually by fans of the aforesaid game.

However the fact you consider a fan made clone of the game to be a remake led me to question what in your mind the difference was, and in your mind the difference amounts to if it has the same plot or not - and as is fairly well understood in gaming, the plot to a videogame is about as important as the plot to a porn film.

Is Great Giana Sisters a clone or a remake? (same plot, different graphics)
Is DCQuad a clone or a remake? (Same plot, same graphics)

Just seems to me you're making a pretty broad statement without justifying the distinctions

Ender · Post by **Ender** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:34 pm

I'm not sure how you're getting that terminology Wily.

A 'remake' is a clone of the original game. It doesn't need the same graphics, or the same developers. It just need to be essentially the same game (RE for GCN)

A fan made clone is still a remake.

I think sequel would be more along the lines of what you're describing.

MetaFox · Post by **MetaFox** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:34 pm

Dr Wily wrote:and as is fairly well understood in gaming, the plot to a videogame is about as important as the plot to a porn film.

Well, that depends on the game. I'm a big fan of adventure games and RPGs - and those are extremely plot-driven. I like games that give me a storyline a lot more than those that just put me out there and make me do random things.

Nyarlathotep · Post by **Nyarlathotep** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:43 pm

Ender wrote:I'm not sure how you're getting that terminology Wily.

A 'remake' is a clone of the original game. It doesn't need the same graphics, or the same developers. It just need to be essentially the same game (RE for GCN)

A fan made clone is still a remake.

I think sequel would be more along the lines of what you're describing.

Well that's why I asked for a clearer distinction - in my mind RE for GC IS a remake as it is by the same company using mostly the same team who made the original game, as are things like the GBA mario games.

Something like Zelda online even though it uses the exact same graphics as the SNES classic is a clone - because to me a 'remake' has to have at least the actual consent of those who originally made it - or in other woprds I deem 'remakes' to have slightly more 'authority' than 'clones'.

MetaFox wrote:Well, that depends on the game. I'm a big fan of adventure games and RPGs - and those are extremely plot-driven. I like games that give me a storyline a lot more than those that just put me out there and make me do random things.

Again, true to a certain extent - but an RPG with a great stpryline but a horribly lousy combat system, limited inventory and few NPCs would not be much fun to play.

Story plays a part in any decent game obviously, but I would argue not the most important part, certainly in the majority of gaming genres.
Do you really care why you're shooting someone in the face with a shotgun in Q3 or why exactly you're sneaking around in a cardboard box in MGS? The answer to those might be yes for some people, but the game is no less enjoyable to those whose answer to that is a resounding no.

You can have a fantastic game with little to no storyline (Tetris. Fact.) but a good storyline can't save a stinker of a game.

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