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" Still surprised to see it grandfathered, I figured they would have stuck it under a class 3 permit."

I'm not sure if the pictured one is the same one I was thinking of, but there's the one type of Minigun that came out in the late 40s early 50s era that is.. Forget the name

"Hold back at a discreet distance and wait for the specialists (the SWAT unit who are trained sharp shooters who do nothing except deal with firearms crime), not just let any lard ass donut munching desk copper pop a shot vaguely in the direction and / or get killed himself."

I'm an American :P

I was asking the Brits on the board what they do, as they don't even carry guns.
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Lartrak wrote:I'm an American :P

I was asking the Brits on the board what they do, as they don't even carry guns.
I'm a Brit and was clearing up the misconception that Law Enforcement and the Militrary don't have guns. They do.

But *only* the SWAT teams in the police have use of and are authorised to use firearms when required. All members have to undergo a minimum of 12 months firearms proficiency training, with regular reviews and also have to account for every single bullet used, whether it hit a target or not.
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TreyDay wrote:How do your cops stop people who are shoplifting? Just run after them? What if it's some big guy that benches 400lbs and weighs 350lbs?
They run after them - they've got a 20" baton that can knock someone out with one swift move, and policemen (or women) always move in pairs. I have a friend whose mother weight about the same as me (112 pounds), yet she has tackled 250-pount Rugby players on her won before. The police over here undergo a fair amount of physical training, unlike in America where any lard-ass, doughnut-dunking, burger-muching, beer-guzzling fatso can get a job in the Police Force.
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Bowling For Columbine.
Burn in hell, EverStoned. That's not even close to funny. How would you feel if I came to your school, acted like a total pussie, shot the place up, then made jokes about it? Do you have any idea amount the amount of bullsh*t we've had to deal with in Colorado because of those two little idiot f*ckheads and a bunch of overreacting Liberals?
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unlike in America where any lard-ass, doughnut-dunking, burger-muching, beer-guzzling fatso can get a job in the Police Force.
Those fatsos put up with a lot of crap from assholes like you for doing a job everyone wants done, but then hates them for doing it. Show them some respect.
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Those fatsos put up with a lot of crap from assholes like you for doing a job everyone wants done, but then hates them for doing it. Show them some respect.
Yeah.. There's a lot of drawbacks to being a cop, they deserve respect..

People always bitch about them being corrupt and violent and fat and all that nonsense.. While it's true there are some, they're a minority.

The way it goes (from what I've personally experienced, growing up in a rich suburb that had an insane number of cops for some reason - saw more there in one day then here in a city twice as big in two weeks) seems to be like this: you've got the large majority who essentially want to do the job, help out society, make a difference or what have you - the GOOD cops. They're doing it for good reasons as the pay simply isn't that great for the dangers and downsides of the job - in other words, you don't see many cops just doing it for the paycheck. They have to have a 4-year degree, they're not uneducated ignorants like some would have you believe.

Then you have the much smaller group of people on a power trip who see this as a simple way to be dominant and an asshole and get away with it.

Finally, you have the smaller OTHER catagory, which can be good or bad.

That sound about right?
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Read this and try and figure out what it means

If guns were illegal then only criminals would have guns

Now is that a pro or a con gun comment?
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fatheadpi wrote:
unlike in America where any lard-ass, doughnut-dunking, burger-muching, beer-guzzling fatso can get a job in the Police Force.
Those fatsos put up with a lot of crap from assholes like you for doing a job everyone wants done, but then hates them for doing it. Show them some respect.
Sorry, I don't mean to express any disrespect for any officers of the law. It's just that if an officer of the law is overweight to the point where he can no longer perform his duties properly, then I don't believe he should be walking the beat. I'll admit I was a bit nasty with those comments, for which I apologise.
s700pid wrote:Read this and try and figure out what it means

If guns were illegal then only criminals would have guns

Now is that a pro or a con gun comment?
Pro Gun - somebody's trying to say that if guns were outlawed then only the nasty people would have them, with the innocents having nothing to protect themselves with.
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az_bont wrote:
s700pid wrote:Read this and try and figure out what it means

If guns were illegal then only criminals would have guns

Now is that a pro or a con gun comment?
Pro Gun - somebody's trying to say that if guns were outlawed then only the nasty people would have them, with the innocents having nothing to protect themselves with.
its about time someone said that. i hope you read what you just typed very carefully. here i'll show you again.
az_bont wrote:if guns were outlawed then only the nasty people would have them, with the innocents having nothing to protect themselves with.
why hasnt anyone responded about australia's anti gun society. that's a perfect example of what not to do to your citizens.
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EverStoned wrote:I love Chris Rock's view.

Guns are cheap. I say make every bullet cost 5000$! Then they'd be no more "Innocent Bystanders"!

Bowling For Columbine.
does that dumbass relieze that you can reload your own bullets ? shotgun shells are easy to do.
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Sorry, I don't mean to express any disrespect for any officers of the law. It's just that if an officer of the law is overweight to the point where he can no longer perform his duties properly, then I don't believe he should be walking the beat. I'll admit I was a bit nasty with those comments, for which I apologise.
Some of those fat ones are better tha skinny ones. Those 300 pound bubbas can sure kick some rioting hippie ass. But then again, so could the French, and we all know those guys can't fight worth a damn...
If guns were illegal then only criminals would have guns
This can be looked at from 2 directions. One would be just a basic Liberal thought pattern: 1. Ban Guns. 2. Take Guns away from citizens. 3. Bust criminals and eventually guns will disappear. Sounds good in theory, but it doesn't always work so well.

However, what this probably came from is a famous self-reliant slogan, basically saying that "the day guns are outlawed, I will become an outlaw". It's one of those slogans we gun owners just love putting on our cars to show the liberals we're serious about never disarming, along with stuff like "Piss off a liberal, buy a gun" and my perosnal all time favorite, "Save a Deer - Bag An Activist!".
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I think the theory goes more like this, and only applies in a country like the UK or Australia, where guns have never been widespread:

Normal citizens can not get hold of guns. That means that casual criminals also can't get hold of guns. They should be less likely to try to, say, rob a bank or a shop, or get pissed off and shoot someone. While many people may be capable of shooting someone, fewer people would be able to kill someone with a knife or their bare hands. It's more difficult, and has to be done from very close range, but you can point a gun at someone and shoot them from the other side of the room, without ever touching them.

How many people would try to hold up their local convenience store armed with nothing but a knife?

As for the serious criminals who could obtain guns - if you're in a position where you're likely to be shot by them, you would not be able to defend yourself even if you have a gun, so it still doesn't matter. Unless they start selling guns to others, in which case the theory begins to break down.

That's the theory, but it does rely on most people being sensible, rational, and not wanting to kill each other. Of course, people don't work like that. And if you tried this in a country like America, where guns have been a way of like for years, it just wouldn't work. There are too many guns already in circulation, and too many people who just wouldn't let go of them.

I still don't understand why people feel the need to own a device designed to kill other human beings.
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pavelbure wrote:
EverStoned wrote:I love Chris Rock's view.

Guns are cheap. I say make every bullet cost 5000$! Then they'd be no more "Innocent Bystanders"!

Bowling For Columbine.
does that dumbass relieze that you can reload your own bullets ? shotgun shells are easy to do.
He was talking about a comedy routine lol. He wasn't being serious.

Chris Rock makes the point 'If all bulles cost five thousand dollars, there wouldn't be no innocent bystanders'. LMMFAO. Go download it if you don't heard it...right now.
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I still don't understand why people feel the need to own a device designed to kill other human beings.
I'll never understand why people assume guns can only be used to kill people.
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fatheadpi wrote:
I still don't understand why people feel the need to own a device designed to kill other human beings.
I'll never understand why people assume guns can only be used to kill people.
That isn't what it exclusively does, but they are used for that very purpose a lot more than a lot of people are comfortable with. Quite frankly, there's no other real use for them in this day and age. Hunting has become pretty obselete what with retail supermarket chains and the like. People do still hunt, and I'm not here to preach against hunting, but you'd be hard-pushed to find a group of gun owners who all go hunting. I have a few friends with 2-2s (is that how you type it?), and they went hunting once, hated it, and just use them to shoot in the back yard. And considering one of them has pointed a loaded, non-safetied rifle at my head (not just mine), my points about guns seem very valid - no matter how carefully you vet things, and how "safe" you make owning a gun, it's still going to be very dangerous for the large majority.
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That isn't what it exclusively does, but they are used for that very purpose a lot more than a lot of people are comfortable with. Quite frankly, there's no other real use for them in this day and age. Hunting has become pretty obselete what with retail supermarket chains and the like. People do still hunt, and I'm not here to preach against hunting, but you'd be hard-pushed to find a group of gun owners who all go hunting. I have a few friends with 2-2s (is that how you type it?), and they went hunting once, hated it, and just use them to shoot in the back yard. And considering one of them has pointed a loaded, non-safetied rifle at my head (not just mine), my points about guns seem very valid - no matter how carefully you vet things, and how "safe" you make owning a gun, it's still going to be very dangerous for the large majority.
You would write it 22, or .22. It is the size of the bullet. The real problem in that situation is that your friends are, apparently, unsafe idiots who should not have firearms.

It's really too bad about hunting.. Makes me wish there were around 5.95 billion less people so hunting was still a viable survival strategy in more areas.

You can visit almost any small farming area, or just a town in a rural area really, a place where guns are a part of everyday life. Probably 99% of the time there's never been an accidental death by firearm. Honestly, if you take out America's large cities, we're one of the safest countries in the world.

Just too bad we have something like 90% of the worlds serial killers, but that's another story.
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it depends on where your at if you'll find a lot of hunters or not. just because you dont hang out with any hunters doesent mean there isnt any reason to hunt, or nobody hunts. i know a lot of people that hunt. i dont, i tried it when i was first allowed to 12 or 13, i didnt like it, i got bored to easy. i like fishing though. hunters really do help though, if they didnt shoot any deer the deer population would explode.
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Guns are made solely for the purpose of killing. Whether thats animals (hunting) or people (more usually) thats what they're made for.

Its not like something like Dynamite which has non lethal applications, guns are for killing period. Or is that 'liberal propaganda' too? :roll:
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knifes can be made for killing too. are we going to ban them? why cant you people relieze that just because you make a law, criminals are not going to listen to it.

do i have to post the australia link again ?

here, someone posted these, maybe you can read them,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1471716.stm
These criminals out there are very well equipped
good controll there. :roll:

or how about this one,
http://www.dailytelegraph.co.uk/opinion ... tid=318893
The truth is that the Firearms Act, 1997, which outlawed the ownership of most handguns in Britain, did nothing to discourage their illegal use.
wow, :o , your gun laws work so good. now only a few people have guns. too bad they are the criminals. :lol:

i agree, and everyone else will agree, guns are used to kill. but you can say the same thing for cars, baseball bats, knifes, ect, ect, ect.
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