I have perfected the meaning of VCD :P

Chaniyth · Post by **Chaniyth** » Sat Sep 21, 2002 5:45 pm

Well, as you all know I have been tinkering with backing up my personal DVD collection for the past several days, and well... I have perfection!

Test movie - Sleepy Hollow
Movie Time - 1hr. 45min.
Origin - DVD
Burn Media - 80min CD-R
Resolution - 480x480
Bitrate - 1600CBR
Quality - DVD <-- :-D to that!

It's so close to DVD quality it's not even funny! I compared side by side the DVD vs. my XVCD burn and well there is not really any difference in the quality! Even the words are perfect, no "smudge" around them at all.

The programs I used are SmartRipper, DVD2AVI, and TMPGEnc (with my own special settings).

What's funny though is DreamMovie VCD/MP# PLayer for Dreamcast runs it flawless no out of sync, no skipping, but my dads DVD player hiccups on the playback... LOL! :-D

anal=probe · Post by **anal=probe** » Sat Sep 21, 2002 5:57 pm

Did you fit it all on the same cd-r?

Chaniyth · Post by **Chaniyth** » Sat Sep 21, 2002 6:19 pm

anal=probe wrote:Did you fit it all on the same cd-r?

That would have been nice, but it's on 2 700mb/80min. CD-R's.

LiL Tommy000 · Post by **LiL Tommy000** » Sat Sep 21, 2002 6:51 pm

what to make those settings into a Tmpeg templete for me?

Chaniyth · Post by **Chaniyth** » Sat Sep 21, 2002 7:30 pm

LiL Tommy000 wrote:what to make those settings into a Tmpeg templete for me?

I'll e-mail it to you

What's your email address? :-D

az_bont · Post by **az_bont** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 6:37 am

Double Post - Carry on scrolling...

az_bont · Post by **az_bont** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 6:37 am

Here's kubyx's settings as a TMPG file. They're edited from the VCD template by TibrO, "which give quality that rivals that of Panasonic MPEG Encoder" - http://www.vcdhelp.com/TIbrOVideoCD.zip

I've updated it to have the increased settings of the new template. It uses 13.28MB a minute, which allows for slightly over 1 hours worth of video on an 80min CD-R. It is also set to 224kbps Audio (VCD default). Both these settings are changable through the TMPG Wizard so that you can squeeze a little bit more onto a disc if you want to.

Just copy-and-paste this into Notepad and save as whatever you want - but make sure is ends with .mcf (I called mine "kubys's 'Near DVD Quality' VideoCD (Edited from TIbrO's)":

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object TMPEGConfigFile
  MPEG.Text = ''
  MPEG.WizardCategoryName = ''
  MPEG.WizardSubFormatName = ''
  MPEG.WizardCaption = ''
  MPEG.WizardDescription = ''
  MPEG.WizardTargetMedia = MPEGConfig_TargetMediaType_Unknown
  MPEG.WizardAutoCalcVideoBitRate = False
  MPEG.WizardAutoChooseList.EnableVideoSize = False
  MPEG.WizardAutoChooseList.VideoSize = <>
  MPEG.WizardAutoChooseList.EnableVideoGOP = False
  MPEG.WizardAutoChooseList.VideoGOP = <>
  MPEG.OutputStreamType = MPEG_OutputStreamType_System_VideoAudio
  MPEG.OutputStreamType_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.StreamType = MPEGVideoEncoder_StreamType_MPEG1
  MPEG.Video.StreamType_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.Width = 480
  MPEG.Video.Width_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.Height = 480
  MPEG.Video.Height_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.YUVFormat = 1
  MPEG.Video.YUVFormat_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.DC_prec = 0
  MPEG.Video.DC_prec_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.VideoEncodeMode = MPEGVideoEncoder_VideoEncodeMode_Progressive
  MPEG.Video.VideoEncodeMode_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.FrameRate = 3
  MPEG.Video.FrameRate_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.AspectRatio = 8
  MPEG.Video.AspectRatio_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.RateControlMode = MPEGVideoEncoder_RateControlMode_CBR
  MPEG.Video.RateControlMode_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.MaxBitRate = 0
  MPEG.Video.MaxBitRate_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.MinBitRate = 0
  MPEG.Video.MinBitRate_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.MinAvgBitRate = 0
  MPEG.Video.MinAvgBitRate_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.CBR_BitRate = 1600000
  MPEG.Video.VBR_MultipassVBRAlgorithm = MPEGVideoEncoder_MultipassVBRAlgorithm_MultipassCQ
  MPEG.Video.VBR_AvgBitRate = 11500000
  MPEG.Video.VBR_MaxBitRate = 0
  MPEG.Video.VBR_MinBitRate = 0
  MPEG.Video.VBR_MaxPassCount = 2
  MPEG.Video.VBR_Quality_P = 0
  MPEG.Video.VBR_Quality_B = 20
  MPEG.Video.VBR_EnablePadding = False
  MPEG.Video.MVBR_MaxBitRate = 3000000
  MPEG.Video.MVBR_MinBitRate = 0
  MPEG.Video.MVBR_Quality_P = 0
  MPEG.Video.MVBR_Quality_B = 20
  MPEG.Video.MVBR_EnablePadding = False
  MPEG.Video.AVBR_Quality = 50
  MPEG.Video.AVBR_MaxBitRate = 3000000
  MPEG.Video.AVBR_MinBitRate = 0
  MPEG.Video.AVBR_EnablePadding = False
  MPEG.Video.CQ_Quality = 50
  MPEG.Video.CQ_Quality_P = 0
  MPEG.Video.CQ_Quality_B = 20
  MPEG.Video.CQ_MaxBitRate = 3000000
  MPEG.Video.CQ_MinBitRate = 0
  MPEG.Video.CQ_EnablePadding = False
  MPEG.Video.VBVBufferSize = 40960
  MPEG.Video.VBVBufferSize_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.GOP_SeqHeaderInterval = 1
  MPEG.Video.GOP_SeqHeaderInterval_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.GOP_I_FrameCount = 1
  MPEG.Video.GOP_I_FrameCount_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.GOP_P_FrameCount = 5
  MPEG.Video.GOP_P_FrameCount_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.GOP_B_FrameCount = 2
  MPEG.Video.GOP_B_FrameCount_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.GOP_BitStreamForEdit = True
  MPEG.Video.GOP_BitStreamForEdit_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.GOP_MaxFrameCount = 0
  MPEG.Video.GOP_MaxFrameCount_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_Intra_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_NonIntra_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.Profile = 4
  MPEG.Video.Profile_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.Level = 8
  MPEG.Video.Level_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.VideoFormat = 2
  MPEG.Video.VideoFormat_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.DisplayWidth = 0
  MPEG.Video.DisplayWidth_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.DisplayHeight = 0
  MPEG.Video.DisplayHeight_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.MotionSearchSpeed = MPEGVideoEncoder_MotionSearchSpeed_HighCQ
  MPEG.Video.MotionSearch_AlwaysHalfPel = False
  MPEG.Video.UseFloatDCT = True
  MPEG.Video.QuantizeMode = True
  MPEG.Video.QuantizeModeVal_Intra = 35
  MPEG.Video.QuantizeModeVal_NonIntra = 35
  MPEG.Video.YUVBasicYCbCr = False
  MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_Intra = {
    081013161A1B1D22101016181B1D222513161A1B1D22222616161A1B1D222528
    161A1B1D202328301A1B1D202328303A1A1B1D22262E38451B1D23262E384553}
  MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_NonIntra = {
    1011121314151617111213141516171812131415161718191314151617181A1B
    14151617191A1B1C151617181A1B1C1E1617181A1B1C1E1F1718191B1C1E1F21}
  MPEG.Audio.StreamType = MPEGAudioEncoder_StreamType_MPEG1_Layer2
  MPEG.Audio.StreamType_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Audio.SamplingFrequency = 44100
  MPEG.Audio.SamplingFrequency_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Audio.ChannelMode = 1
  MPEG.Audio.ChannelMode_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Audio.CantUseMono = False
  MPEG.Audio.BitRate = 224000
  MPEG.Audio.BitRate_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Audio.CalcCRC = False
  MPEG.Audio.CalcCRC_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Audio.OriginalFlag = False
  MPEG.Audio.OriginalFlag_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Audio.CopyrightFlag = False
  MPEG.Audio.CopyrightFlag_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Audio.PrivateFlag = False
  MPEG.Audio.PrivateFlag_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Audio.EmphasisType = 0
  MPEG.Audio.EmphasisType_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.System.StreamType = MPEGSystemEncoder_StreamType_MPEG1_VideoCD
  MPEG.System.StreamType_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.System.EnableCommentText = False
  MPEG.System.CommentText = ''
end

Happy encoding!

Prophet][ · Post by **Prophet][** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 6:41 am

does anyone know anything bout S-VCD, My DVD player can pley them, but what are they??

az_bont · Post by **az_bont** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 6:46 am

Prophet][ wrote:does anyone know anything bout S-VCD, My DVD player can pley them, but what are they??

They're like a VCD but of a higher quality because they use MPEG-2, which is what DVD uses. I don't think there are ANY free encoders so you'd have to pay to get one. The problem is they look quite crappy below a certain bitrate, so unless you split your film across at leasts 3 CD-Rs then it will look worse than the settings I just posted. Stick with them, they're perfect.

And a note or two the template I just posted:

1. Motion Precision Search is set to slowest, so you might want to change it to Motion Estimate Search for a speed-up.

2. It's for PAL, so you'll have to change the FPS manually.

Nyarlathotep · Post by **Nyarlathotep** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 8:33 am

az_bont wrote: I don't think there are ANY free encoders so you'd have to pay to get one.

In the same way older versions of VirtuaDUB have support for .ASF files that newer versions don't, older versions of TMPENC include free time unlimited MPEG2 encoding in the download, while newer versions limit you to 30 days of encoding (last I checked)

az_bont · Post by **az_bont** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 8:42 am

Nyarlathotep wrote:
az_bont wrote: I don't think there are ANY free encoders so you'd have to pay to get one.
In the same way older versions of VirtuaDUB have support for .ASF files that newer versions don't, older versions of TMPENC include free time unlimited MPEG2 encoding in the download, while newer versions limit you to 30 days of encoding (last I checked)

Thanks - I'll have to track down an old version.

Chaniyth · Post by **Chaniyth** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 8:00 pm

az_bont I didn't know someone else had near the same settings that I chose...

Anyways here are my settings for TMPGEnc... cut and paste these into Notepad... I have it saved as... XVideoCD (NTSCFilm).mcf

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object TMPEGConfigFile
  MPEG.Text = ''
  MPEG.WizardCategoryName = ''
  MPEG.WizardSubFormatName = ''
  MPEG.WizardCaption = ''
  MPEG.WizardDescription = ''
  MPEG.WizardTargetMedia = MPEGConfig_TargetMediaType_Unknown
  MPEG.WizardAutoCalcVideoBitRate = False
  MPEG.WizardAutoChooseList.EnableVideoSize = False
  MPEG.WizardAutoChooseList.VideoSize = <>
  MPEG.WizardAutoChooseList.EnableVideoGOP = False
  MPEG.WizardAutoChooseList.VideoGOP = <>
  MPEG.OutputStreamType = MPEG_OutputStreamType_System_VideoAudio
  MPEG.OutputStreamType_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.StreamType = MPEGVideoEncoder_StreamType_MPEG1
  MPEG.Video.StreamType_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.Width = 480
  MPEG.Video.Width_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.Height = 480
  MPEG.Video.Height_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.YUVFormat = 1
  MPEG.Video.YUVFormat_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.DC_prec = 0
  MPEG.Video.DC_prec_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.VideoEncodeMode = MPEGVideoEncoder_VideoEncodeMode_Progressive
  MPEG.Video.VideoEncodeMode_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.FrameRate = 1
  MPEG.Video.FrameRate_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.AspectRatio = 6
  MPEG.Video.AspectRatio_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.RateControlMode = MPEGVideoEncoder_RateControlMode_CBR
  MPEG.Video.RateControlMode_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.MaxBitRate = 0
  MPEG.Video.MaxBitRate_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.MinBitRate = 0
  MPEG.Video.MinBitRate_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.MinAvgBitRate = 0
  MPEG.Video.MinAvgBitRate_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.CBR_BitRate = 1600000
  MPEG.Video.VBR_MultipassVBRAlgorithm = MPEGVideoEncoder_MultipassVBRAlgorithm_2PASS
  MPEG.Video.VBR_AvgBitRate = 1600000
  MPEG.Video.VBR_MaxBitRate = 3000000
  MPEG.Video.VBR_MinBitRate = 300000
  MPEG.Video.VBR_MaxPassCount = 0
  MPEG.Video.VBR_Quality_P = 0
  MPEG.Video.VBR_Quality_B = 20
  MPEG.Video.VBR_EnablePadding = False
  MPEG.Video.MVBR_MaxBitRate = 3000000
  MPEG.Video.MVBR_MinBitRate = 0
  MPEG.Video.MVBR_Quality_P = 0
  MPEG.Video.MVBR_Quality_B = 20
  MPEG.Video.MVBR_EnablePadding = False
  MPEG.Video.AVBR_Quality = 50
  MPEG.Video.AVBR_MaxBitRate = 3000000
  MPEG.Video.AVBR_MinBitRate = 0
  MPEG.Video.AVBR_EnablePadding = False
  MPEG.Video.CQ_Quality = 50
  MPEG.Video.CQ_Quality_P = 0
  MPEG.Video.CQ_Quality_B = 20
  MPEG.Video.CQ_MaxBitRate = 3000000
  MPEG.Video.CQ_MinBitRate = 0
  MPEG.Video.CQ_EnablePadding = False
  MPEG.Video.VBVBufferSize = 0
  MPEG.Video.VBVBufferSize_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.GOP_SeqHeaderInterval = 0
  MPEG.Video.GOP_SeqHeaderInterval_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.GOP_I_FrameCount = 1
  MPEG.Video.GOP_I_FrameCount_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.GOP_P_FrameCount = 5
  MPEG.Video.GOP_P_FrameCount_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.GOP_B_FrameCount = 2
  MPEG.Video.GOP_B_FrameCount_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.GOP_BitStreamForEdit = False
  MPEG.Video.GOP_BitStreamForEdit_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.GOP_MaxFrameCount = 0
  MPEG.Video.GOP_MaxFrameCount_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_Intra_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_NonIntra_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.Profile = 4
  MPEG.Video.Profile_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.Level = 8
  MPEG.Video.Level_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.VideoFormat = 2
  MPEG.Video.VideoFormat_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.DisplayWidth = 0
  MPEG.Video.DisplayWidth_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.DisplayHeight = 0
  MPEG.Video.DisplayHeight_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Video.MotionSearchSpeed = MPEGVideoEncoder_MotionSearchSpeed_HighCQ
  MPEG.Video.MotionSearch_AlwaysHalfPel = True
  MPEG.Video.UseFloatDCT = False
  MPEG.Video.QuantizeMode = False
  MPEG.Video.QuantizeModeVal_Intra = 35
  MPEG.Video.QuantizeModeVal_NonIntra = 35
  MPEG.Video.YUVBasicYCbCr = False
  MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_Intra = {
    081013161A1B1D22101016181B1D222513161A1B1D22222616161A1B1D222528
    161A1B1D202328301A1B1D202328303A1A1B1D22262E38451B1D23262E384553}
  MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_NonIntra = {
    1011121314151617111213141516171812131415161718191314151617181A1B
    14151617191A1B1C151617181A1B1C1E1617181A1B1C1E1F1718191B1C1E1F21}
  MPEG.Audio.StreamType = MPEGAudioEncoder_StreamType_MPEG1_Layer2
  MPEG.Audio.StreamType_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Audio.SamplingFrequency = 48000
  MPEG.Audio.SamplingFrequency_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Audio.ChannelMode = 0
  MPEG.Audio.ChannelMode_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Audio.CantUseMono = False
  MPEG.Audio.BitRate = 224000
  MPEG.Audio.BitRate_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Audio.CalcCRC = False
  MPEG.Audio.CalcCRC_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Audio.OriginalFlag = False
  MPEG.Audio.OriginalFlag_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Audio.CopyrightFlag = False
  MPEG.Audio.CopyrightFlag_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Audio.PrivateFlag = False
  MPEG.Audio.PrivateFlag_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.Audio.EmphasisType = 0
  MPEG.Audio.EmphasisType_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.System.StreamType = MPEGSystemEncoder_StreamType_MPEG1_VideoCD_Illegal
  MPEG.System.StreamType_ReadOnly = False
  MPEG.System.EnableCommentText = False
  MPEG.System.CommentText = ''
end

Enjoy! :-D

az_bont · Post by **az_bont** » Mon Sep 23, 2002 12:04 pm

I forgot the link to the updated templates - http://website.lineone.net/~don.hopkins/kubyxvcd.zip

Ignore previous posts - there's no copy-and-pasting with these, just stick them in the 'Extra' folder in the TMPG Templates folder and you're away. I tested it with the FF: Spirits Within trailer and the Resi trailer and it looks beautiful.

Hawq · Post by **Hawq** » Mon Sep 23, 2002 2:35 pm

180 minutes of Wide Screen material encoded at 23.976fps on a single 80 minute CD-R.
Get the templates from here

az_bont · Post by **az_bont** » Mon Sep 23, 2002 5:07 pm

Hawq wrote:180 minutes of Wide Screen material encoded at 23.976fps on a single 80 minute CD-R.
Get the templates from here

I saw a template like this before - the maximum they squeezed out of it was 150min on an ultra-widescreen film. Mostly you ended up with about 120-130mins.

LiL Tommy000 · Post by **LiL Tommy000** » Mon Sep 23, 2002 6:32 pm

the quality is great on this, but it seemed to play kinda slow on my apex500w.

Chaniyth · Post by **Chaniyth** » Mon Sep 23, 2002 10:40 pm

LiL Tommy000 wrote:the quality is great on this, but it seemed to play kinda slow on my apex500w.

Yah, my dads Apex DVD Player, don't like playing them neither... hehe... it is possibly a Apex thing(?).