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Its about damn time, though they'll probably be saddled with 'human rights' guidelines rendering them useless
Britain is to get a "unified border force" to boost the fight against terrorism, the prime minister has said.

A "highly visible" uniformed force would bring together immigration and Customs officers, Gordon Brown said.

He also announced a review of allowing intercept evidence to be used in court, and doubling the 28 days police can question suspects before charging them.

But the Tories and Lib Dems said any border force should include police officers, new resources and new powers.

Officers from the Border and Immigration Agency, Revenue and Customs and UKVisas will be brought together to create a "single primary checkpoint" for passport control and customs.

Outlining his counter-terrorism strategy to MPs, he said the cabinet secretary had been asked to report back by October on how to implement the proposal "very soon".

But Shadow Home Secretary David Davis told the BBC the proposal was "a bit less than met the eye" adding: "New uniforms do not make a new force."

And for the Lib Dems, Nick Clegg said it was "a border force lite without police powers or the incorporation of the transport police".
Biometric visas

But Mr Brown said the new borders officers would have "immigration, customs and police powers to investigate and detain people suspected of immigration, customs and criminal offences".

He also said he wanted stronger measures to stop terrorism suspects arriving in the first place, through electronic screening of all passengers checking in and out of the UK.

All visa applicants would require biometric visas from March 2008 and the existing "e-borders scheme" would be expanded.

An "all-party consensus" on the use of intercept evidence in court and questioning of suspects after they have been charged would be sought.

But the government looks set to press ahead with attempts to extend the period for which terrorism suspects can be held without charge, beyond the current 28 day limit.

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Mr Brown said one option was to double it to 56 days, subject to parliamentary scrutiny and a judge's approval.

He said there had been 15 attempted terrorist attacks on Britain since 2001 and 30 people had been convicted so far this year.

Ministers say it is right to consider extending it because of the increasing complexity of some plots - but the Tories, Lib Dems and some Labour backbenchers have opposed previous attempts to do so.

For the Lib Dems Mr Clegg said the idea of parliamentary oversight of any extension was "complete and utter nonsense".

"What is Parliament supposed to do when the police are detaining someone without charge? They won't be given privy to all the information so I'm afraid I think a lot of that is a bit of a fig leaf."

'Terrorist recruiter's dream'

Mr Davis also indicated that the Tories would continue to oppose the moves, unless there was any new evidence that it was necessary.

Amnesty International's Nicola Duckworth said locking people up for 56 days without charge "amounted to internment" which had "devastating consequences" in Northern Ireland in the 1970s.

And Liberty director Shami Chakrabarti said it would act as a "terrorist recruiter's dream".

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith told the BBC the government recognised the "very real concerns about liberty", but added that terrorist plots were becoming more complicated, more international and police were having to go through hundreds of discs, computers and house searches abroad.

"The weight of opinion, not just from us but from others, suggests that we may well be getting to the point where 28 days will not be long enough to have done that investigation and to have charged somebody in order that you can then bring them to a conviction."

Other proposals announced include:

* A new system of electronic exit controls at UK borders from 2009, so that passports can be checked against the "warnings index" in real time.

* From March 2008 biometric visas to be extended to all visa applicants

* A review of how to best protect crowded places, buildings and national infrastructure such as roads, railways, tunnels, bridges, water systems and utilities

* UK watch list of suspects to be linked to the Interpol database of lost and stolen documents

* £70m to help local councils and community groups with citizenship projects aimed at combating extremism

* Consultation on tightening bail conditions and travel restrictions on terrorism suspects

Mr Brown also revealed that 900 shopping centres, sports centres and other venues where large numbers of people congregate had been assessed by counter-terrorism advisers.

And he said "additional protection" was needed for utility sites, crowded places and the national infrastructure, from roads and the railway to waterways.

Reviews on security measures at such sites would be on-going over the summer, he added.
source wtf? has that guy been smoking though 'Terrorist recruiter's dream'? what having proper border controls like any other civilised country is a terrorists recruiters dream is it? how does that work then?
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Forgive my ignorance, but hasn't every terrorist attack on British soil of the last several decades been committed either by British citizens and others who are here legally by the proper channels, or by Irish citizens--Ireland being the only other country in the world we have an open border policy with?
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az_bont wrote:Forgive my ignorance, but hasn't every terrorist attack on British soil of the last several decades been committed either by British citizens and others who are here legally by the proper channels, or by Irish citizens--Ireland being the only other country in the world we have an open border policy with?
I believe so. It seems terrorists can't handle the French and sure as hell don't want to swim the channel.
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az_bont wrote:Forgive my ignorance, but hasn't every terrorist attack on British soil of the last several decades been committed either by British citizens and others who are here legally by the proper channels, or by Irish citizens--Ireland being the only other country in the world we have an open border policy with?
The state things are in now is there any country we dont have an open border policy with? cry about how bad it'll be if sent home & its the ticket to a free house, free car, lots of money every month or vanishing never to be seen again except by benefits officers for big handouts
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Hawq wrote:
az_bont wrote:Forgive my ignorance, but hasn't every terrorist attack on British soil of the last several decades been committed either by British citizens and others who are here legally by the proper channels, or by Irish citizens--Ireland being the only other country in the world we have an open border policy with?
The state things are in now is there any country we dont have an open border policy with? cry about how bad it'll be if sent home & its the ticket to a free house, free car, lots of money every month or vanishing never to be seen again except by benefits officers for big handouts
Yeah, nothing worse than people leeching off state benefits is there? :roll:
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BoneyCork wrote:
Hawq wrote:
az_bont wrote:Forgive my ignorance, but hasn't every terrorist attack on British soil of the last several decades been committed either by British citizens and others who are here legally by the proper channels, or by Irish citizens--Ireland being the only other country in the world we have an open border policy with?
The state things are in now is there any country we dont have an open border policy with? cry about how bad it'll be if sent home & its the ticket to a free house, free car, lots of money every month or vanishing never to be seen again except by benefits officers for big handouts
Yeah, nothing worse than people leeching off state benefits is there? :roll:
Welfare recipients are the true terrorists; that money should be going to support the troops.
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BoneyCork wrote:
Hawq wrote:
az_bont wrote:Forgive my ignorance, but hasn't every terrorist attack on British soil of the last several decades been committed either by British citizens and others who are here legally by the proper channels, or by Irish citizens--Ireland being the only other country in the world we have an open border policy with?
The state things are in now is there any country we dont have an open border policy with? cry about how bad it'll be if sent home & its the ticket to a free house, free car, lots of money every month or vanishing never to be seen again except by benefits officers for big handouts
Yeah, nothing worse than people leeching off state benefits is there? :roll:
Indeed if they arent legally meant to be here & have no intention of contributing anything
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Hawq wrote:
BoneyCork wrote:
Hawq wrote:
az_bont wrote:Forgive my ignorance, but hasn't every terrorist attack on British soil of the last several decades been committed either by British citizens and others who are here legally by the proper channels, or by Irish citizens--Ireland being the only other country in the world we have an open border policy with?
The state things are in now is there any country we dont have an open border policy with? cry about how bad it'll be if sent home & its the ticket to a free house, free car, lots of money every month or vanishing never to be seen again except by benefits officers for big handouts
Yeah, nothing worse than people leeching off state benefits is there? :roll:
Indeed if they arent legally meant to be here & have no intention of contributing anything
Well what do you contribute? From everything I know about you, you seem to take a lot more than you give. Then you come in here, and start spouting sensationalist tabloid bollocks as if it is true and that you are somehow more of an asset to this country than an asylum seeker.

How does it even affect you? It's impossible for immigrants to "steal" jobs off somebody who refuses to get one, and no matter how much tax the government spends on asylum and immigration, not a penny of it will of been earned by you.

Not that it matters, because your views on asylum are completely moronic and make you sound like the editor of the Daily Mail. Only 2% of the world's refugees end up in the UK, immigration gives £2-3billion more back in tax than it consumes in benefits each year, we have a seriously low supply of manual labourers, and without immigration we'll be heading for a massive pension crisis.

But hey, who needs facts when you've got ignorance? :roll:
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BoneyCork wrote:
Hawq wrote:
BoneyCork wrote:
Hawq wrote:
az_bont wrote:Forgive my ignorance, but hasn't every terrorist attack on British soil of the last several decades been committed either by British citizens and others who are here legally by the proper channels, or by Irish citizens--Ireland being the only other country in the world we have an open border policy with?
The state things are in now is there any country we dont have an open border policy with? cry about how bad it'll be if sent home & its the ticket to a free house, free car, lots of money every month or vanishing never to be seen again except by benefits officers for big handouts
Yeah, nothing worse than people leeching off state benefits is there? :roll:
Indeed if they arent legally meant to be here & have no intention of contributing anything
Well what do you contribute? From everything I know about you, you seem to take a lot more than you give. Then you come in here, and start spouting sensationalist tabloid bollocks as if it is true and that you are somehow more of an asset to this country than an asylum seeker.
are these the same asylum seekers that have been blowing up buses and airports recently ?

yeah, i thought so.
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pavelbure wrote:are these the same asylum seekers that have been blowing up buses and airports recently ?

yeah, i thought so.
No.

Of the four perpetrators of the July 7th bombings, two of them were British citizens, and two of them were foreign citizens staying in the country legally.

The alledged perpetrators of the recent failed car bombing attempts are both foreign citizens who are here legally--one was a doctor working for the National Health Service, and the other was studying for his PhD.
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BoneyCork wrote:Yeah, nothing worse than people leeching off state benefits is there? :roll:
not really no. i find it despicable. now using state benefits is fine, but to leech off them? thats just not right.
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are these the same asylum seekers that have been blowing up buses and airports recently ?

yeah, i thought so.
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Covar wrote:
BoneyCork wrote:Yeah, nothing worse than people leeching off state benefits is there? :roll:
not really no. i find it despicable. now using state benefits is fine, but to leech off them? thats just not right.
That's what I was getting at.
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az_bont wrote:
pavelbure wrote:are these the same asylum seekers that have been blowing up buses and airports recently ?

yeah, i thought so.
No.

Of the four perpetrators of the July 7th bombings, two of them were British citizens, and two of them were foreign citizens staying in the country legally.

The alledged perpetrators of the recent failed car bombing attempts are both foreign citizens who are here legally--one was a doctor working for the National Health Service, and the other was studying for his PhD.
i stand corrected. they were both scumbag islamic doctors.

oh and if you want to stop terrorists from coming in, quit admitting them from certain parts of the world. can you guess which part ???? :roll:
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pavelbure wrote:oh and if you want to stop terrorists from coming in, quit admitting them from certain parts of the world. can you guess which part ???? :roll:
Ireland?
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BoneyCork wrote:
Covar wrote:
BoneyCork wrote:Yeah, nothing worse than people leeching off state benefits is there? :roll:
not really no. i find it despicable. now using state benefits is fine, but to leech off them? thats just not right.
That's what I was getting at.
Indeed use them if legally entitled to & needing to for example on medical grounds but dont take the piss with them (claiming a bad back while working as a builder for example or going into strongman contests) and as for asylum seekers nicking jobs, mentioned earlier in the thread, it affects anyone that has to look for work as the buggers take the jobs that are open a lot of the time & work for less money than natives & otehrs that are legally entitled to be here.

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pavelbure wrote:oh and if you want to stop terrorists from coming in, quit admitting them from certain parts of the world. can you guess which part ???? :roll:
Ireland?
Used to be, you'd think the terrorists would research the IRA to see we dont back down to their kind (yes the irish didnt blow themselves up as well but you get the meaning)
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and as for asylum seekers nicking jobs, mentioned earlier in the thread, it affects anyone that has to look for work as the buggers take the jobs that are open a lot of the time & work for less money than natives & otehrs that are legally entitled to be here.
We have a shortage of manual labourers, considering asylum seekers are often unskilled workers, these are the jobs they take up. We need them to fill those positions, because the average Brit has no interest in taking some minimum-wage labouring job. It is impossible to steal a job off people who don't want the job in the first place.

Nice of you to ignore the rest of my argument too. I guess you're happy in la-la tabloid land?
Indeed use them if legally entitled to & needing to for example on medical grounds but dont take the piss with them
You do take the piss. You can sit infront of a computer and type...so you can work from home, or at least look for work. And even if we assume your medical excuses are 100% legit, you still take the piss by caring about how public money is spent and asylum seekers get employment. It doesn't affect you, so there's no reason for you to care.

Also, asylum seekers=/= illegal immigrants. Stop referring to them as "illegals". This isn't the case.
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After WWII the Netherlands had a huge shortage of laborers and needed them as the place had only been bombed flat. Problem was that once they were done rebuilding nobody wanted to leave and they didn't want them. Enjoy civil strife.
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and as for asylum seekers nicking jobs, mentioned earlier in the thread, it affects anyone that has to look for work as the buggers take the jobs that are open a lot of the time & work for less money than natives & otehrs that are legally entitled to be here.
We have a shortage of manual labourers, considering asylum seekers are often unskilled workers, these are the jobs they take up. We need them to fill those positions, because the average Brit has no interest in taking some minimum-wage labouring job. It is impossible to steal a job off people who don't want the job in the first place.

Nice of you to ignore the rest of my argument too. I guess you're happy in la-la tabloid land?
And employers take the view 'why pay decent minimum wage when these illegals will do it for peanuts' therefore taking away jobs from those that should be here, but since you are obviously out for a pointless argument why bother to make any points at all?
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Indeed use them if legally entitled to & needing to for example on medical grounds but dont take the piss with them
You do take the piss. You can sit infront of a computer and type...so you can work from home, or at least look for work. And even if we assume your medical excuses are 100% legit, you still take the piss by caring about how public money is spent and asylum seekers get employment. It doesn't affect you, so there's no reason for you to care.

Also, asylum seekers=/= illegal immigrants. Stop referring to them as "illegals". This isn't the case.
And what do you know about me? nothing thats what. I cant find any work that fits so what choice do I have other than to wait to find something that does? you propose I live on air & pay no bills perhaps? as for the vast waves of illegals we have the majority of these so called 'asylum seekers' often go home to the place they said their lives were in danger for holidays for gods sake, therefore they have no legal right to be here & are illegal.
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