Verdict Reached in Moussaoui Sentencing

Lartrak · Post by **Lartrak** » Thu May 04, 2006 4:03 pm

McVeigh's ashes are in prison? That's pretty harsh.

Anyways, I didn't realize you could be executed or get life (in this case, six life sentences) for lieing to authorities. I find that somewhat disturbing.

butters · Post by **butters** » Thu May 04, 2006 10:01 pm

Well when your lie leads (indirectly or not) to the murder of thousands it's the same as committing the damn murder imo. This man hates America and everything it stands for, and would do anything he can to destroy it.

edit: Oh and I think the I meant was up there about McVeigh.

Post by **Roofus** » Thu May 04, 2006 11:27 pm

butters wrote:Well when your lie leads (indirectly or not) to the murder of thousands it's the same as committing the damn murder imo. This man hates America and everything it stands for, and would do anything he can to destroy it.

Which of the prosecution's arguments convinced you? Because the jurors were there and weren't convinced.

Ex-Cyber · Post by **Ex-Cyber** » Fri May 05, 2006 12:38 am

butters wrote:They were throwing that number around on Fox News yesterday.

I bet they were. I don't consider any cable news channel (with the possible exception of C-SPAN) to be a credible source for analysis, least of all Fox News. Did they give a source or reasoning for that figure?

Roofus wrote:My understanding was that thoe places are reserved for people who do stuff while already in prison.

butters is correct; the supermax (I don't know where "ultramax" came from; the Bureau of Prisons, and every other credible source I've seen, calls them "supermax") prisons are generally reserved for high-profile terrorists / enemies of the state (I sort of wish I could think of a less sinister-sounding way to put that, since to some degree it gives the wrong idea). AFAIK there are only two such federal prisons in the country. I don't know whether any state governments operate comparable ones, but it seems unlikely since any crime of that magnitude is bound to be a federal offense anyway.

butters · Post by **butters** » Fri May 05, 2006 11:30 am

Yeah I don't know where Fox News got their numbers; all that I've found is a cost-benefit analysis of operating the supermax facilities. Most of what I've included in this thread are facts that I remember from barely paying attention to the news. I was just looking at this site and they have a lot of interesting info on that prison.

Oh and while I was typing this reply, I managed to spill milk all over my printer...

Post by **Tyne** » Fri May 05, 2006 12:29 pm

I seriously doubt it'd cost much to keep him 23 hours in a 4 walled small room. Plus his name will be striken out completely and only reffered to as "The Prisoner" from now on which is pretty harsh, he's not considered a human being at this point! Ouch.

Keep him alive in crappy conditions, it's worth it for his crimes.

CKRNZ · Post by **CKRNZ** » Sat May 06, 2006 2:02 am

and all those countries bitchin about the way we treat muslim extremists in cuba...we treat our OWN criminals worser than we treat those worthless shitbags...atleast our own inmates keep the roads clean and dig our ditches...those worthless shitbags do nothing but consume vital natural resources...

Post by **Roofus** » Sat May 06, 2006 2:04 am

CKRNZ wrote:and all those countries bitchin about the way we treat muslim extremists in cuba...we treat our OWN criminals worser than we treat those worthless shitbags...atleast our own inmates keep the roads clean and dig our ditches...those worthless shitbags do nothing but consume vital natural resources...

Yeah. They don't even have to be tried or anything!

CKRNZ · Post by **CKRNZ** » Sat May 06, 2006 2:46 am

he's gonna wish he had died and got those virgins mOhammmmmmmmmmm-id promised em...lol...cause he's gonna be a whole buncha inmates "virgin" for sometime to come...gonna be wearin those prison style hot pants..

Prophet][ · Post by **Prophet][** » Sat May 06, 2006 2:48 am

AMERICA! F**K YEA!

butters · Post by **butters** » Sat May 06, 2006 10:38 am

Roofus wrote:
CKRNZ wrote:and all those countries bitchin about the way we treat muslim extremists in cuba...we treat our OWN criminals worser than we treat those worthless crapbags...atleast our own inmates keep the roads clean and dig our ditches...those worthless crapbags do nothing but consume vital natural resources...
Yeah. They don't even have to be tried or anything!

You don't typically put POWs on trial, and we treat our POWs a hell of a lot better than they treat theirs (torture and murder...).

Prophet][ · Post by **Prophet][** » Sat May 06, 2006 11:30 am

butters wrote:
Roofus wrote:
CKRNZ wrote:and all those countries bitchin about the way we treat muslim extremists in cuba...we treat our OWN criminals worser than we treat those worthless crapbags...atleast our own inmates keep the roads clean and dig our ditches...those worthless crapbags do nothing but consume vital natural resources...
Yeah. They don't even have to be tried or anything!
You don't typically put POWs on trial, and we treat our POWs a hell of a lot better than they treat theirs (torture and murder...).

I didn't think the US were treating them as POW's. I thought the UN tried to get them too but they refused saying they are not at war with a country or some crap excuse. If they were POW's then the US seriously screwed there rights.

Post by **Roofus** » Sat May 06, 2006 12:35 pm

butters wrote:
Roofus wrote:
CKRNZ wrote:and all those countries bitchin about the way we treat muslim extremists in cuba...we treat our OWN criminals worser than we treat those worthless crapbags...atleast our own inmates keep the roads clean and dig our ditches...those worthless crapbags do nothing but consume vital natural resources...
Yeah. They don't even have to be tried or anything!
You don't typically put POWs on trial, and we treat our POWs a hell of a lot better than they treat theirs (torture and murder...).

Wikipedia wrote:The U.S. government has classified the detainees in Camp X-Ray as "illegal combatants," rather than prisoners of war (POWs), which they claim means that they do not have to be conferred the rights granted to POWs under the Geneva Conventions. The U.S. government justifies this designation by claiming that they do not have the status of either regular soldiers nor that of guerrillas, and they are not part of a regular army or militia.

Also from Wikipedia:

An unlawful combatant (also unlawful enemy combatant or unprivileged combatant/belligerent) is a person who is accorded neither the rights a soldier would normally have under the laws of war, nor the civil rights a common criminal would normally have

So, if they were POWs, the Geneva Convention would apply. If they were on US soil, the Constiution would apply. As it is, neither one applies so we can do things like keep them in barbed-wire cages forever.

SuperMegatron · Post by **SuperMegatron** » Sat May 06, 2006 3:45 pm

Tyne wrote:I seriously doubt it'd cost much to keep him 23 hours in a 4 walled small room. Plus his name will be striken out completely and only reffered to as "The Prisoner" from now on which is pretty harsh, he's not considered a human being at this point! Ouch.

Keep him alive in crappy conditions, it's worth it for his crimes.

the 100,000 a year includes the cost for his appeals and court appointed attorneys and so forth. In reality if we looked at just the housing and food cost for him it would most likely be around 13-17,000 a year if that.