Black Dragon (commando hardware) emulation?

Segata Sanshiro · Post by **Segata Sanshiro** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 6:54 am

Black Dragon (aka Black Tiger) is a capcom game from 1987.
We used to go to a bowling alley back in the day and there was an arcade machine of BD... we used to spend countless amounts of cash on it, anyway my question is:

which mame version for dreamcast could run it perfectly (or good)?

The game is small (rom is around 300k), there aren't any sprite effects like rotation or transparency and as far as i recall there is only 1 BGR layer (no parallax scrolling planes)... sound is very simple. I guess theoretically it should not present a challenge.

It runs on commando arcade hardware

CPU : Z80 (Different speed per game)
Sound CPU : Z80 (Different speed per game)
Sound Chip : 2 x YM2203 (Different speed per game)

Black Dragon specifics are

CPU : Z80 @ 4 MHz
Sound CPU : Z80 @ 3 MHz
Sound Chip : 2 x YM2203 @ 3.579545 MHz

other games running on this hardware are:

1943
1943 Kai
Commando / Senjo no Ookami
Gun Smoke
Side Arms

so, what do you think?

Thanx in advance

Segata Sanshiro · Post by **Segata Sanshiro** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 6:55 am

mikozero · Post by **mikozero** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:44 am

well i don't know much, that's a nice little collection of games for a specialized emulator if there's a decent z80 core around (the YM2203 is probably a different matter though)

posts like this make me wish i could code

(or even just compile MAME for Dreamcast)

Segata Sanshiro · Post by **Segata Sanshiro** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:11 am

It was just a question... not a development idea (i didn't even know about this "Developmental Ideas" forum), i just wanted to know before wasting Cd's. So i guess it doesn't work on the DC mames, right? or wrong?

Post by **Quzar** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:30 pm

I've been messing around lately with converting mame drivers into full emulators w/o porting mame (just basically reusing all the info, it's not really all that hard, but is if you're not used to it...)

I might take a look at it later, but i've never done multiple z80 emulation, so who knows how that'll turn out =P.

Segata Sanshiro · Post by **Segata Sanshiro** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 5:18 pm

Man if you pull this emu out, I'll be in your debt forever! I can help with some GUI, covers, etc.

Thanx in advance!!

BTW: If its too hard to do "multiple z80 emulation", is it possible to emulate only black tiger/dragon? Or its too much work for too little result?

thanx again

rangrisser · Post by **rangrisser** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 5:30 pm

Black Dragon is also my best game,when i was 7 years old

!!
I also want this game,
and other commando hardwear games works good at mamed, but black
dragon is rebooting.

mikozero · Post by **mikozero** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 6:06 pm

could that be a romset problem ?
do you mean it doesn't start at all (reboots on load) ?

rangrisser · Post by **rangrisser** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:39 pm

yeah, when U choice this game, mamed rebooting ,though this file is so small size

Segata Sanshiro · Post by **Segata Sanshiro** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:24 pm

rangrisser wrote:other commando hardware games works good at mamed, but black dragon is rebooting.

Could you explain a little more. What mamed are you talking about mamed DC, or the PC one? If its the DC version which pack are you using? ... so i could try it also.

Thanx

rangrisser · Post by **rangrisser** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 2:22 am

I said mamed about (http://digita.mame.net/)this site mamed37b15 or mamed36b6.5 version mame emul for DC.
Mamed37b15 version is almost people use version.
In this mame emul capcom company rom file was using in mamed15 pack.
So you just extract source file emul and put rom file on CD (put file at named roms folder) or when you burning put file together with a mamed37b source file(also put files at roms folder).
Try it!!

Segata Sanshiro · Post by **Segata Sanshiro** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:20 am

Thanx, I'll try it also with WowPack and will post results later... stay tuned

Segata Sanshiro · Post by **Segata Sanshiro** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:50 am

nada, i couldn't do it... wasted 2 CDs, the wow-pack plays commando and gun smoke (VEERY SLOW) but no 'black dragon/tiger'. MamedDC reboots after the kos disclaimer (I'm 90% certain that i messed up the image creation)...

Quzar, you're my last hope

rangrisser · Post by **rangrisser** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:57 am

Segata Sanshiro, when U using wowmame,please setting sound at 4400 mode or 8800 mode little size sound mode is playing so fast.
I want to suggest you digita.mamed.net download file mamed37b15.zip file and
if you want more fast rom, download mamed36b6.5 version.
I want you using winISO, and extract mamed36b6.5 version CDI file and scroll
source file at your PC folder and put roms named folder (with putting zipped rom files).And make selfbooting file,and burn!(Because origine 36b6.5 ver file is corrupt, so you must correct.
Frankly,Lately I download and 36b6.5 version and correct file,this was more playable with real speed game. Good Luck!!

Post by **Quzar** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:28 pm

Ok, i've finally looked into it and it seems that the first problem has already surfaced. In mame, each of these games uses a seperate driver. They probably shouldn't, but do because of the hardware differences. It shouldn't be too hard to get Black Dragon working, but it would be a mess (not that much more) to get all the different games working.

I'm going to ask around on the mame forums about how drivers would be merged and whatnot because, i dunno... seems like the proper thing to do?

Segata Sanshiro · Post by **Segata Sanshiro** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:44 pm

Please make Black Dragon/Tiger work... please!

mikozero · Post by **mikozero** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 3:36 pm

Segata Sanshiro wrote:

hell id be more than happy to see any new arcade emulation on the Dreamcast, the existing ones seem a little old and scrappy.

especially if they included some notes as to what roms to actually use

Segata Sanshiro · Post by **Segata Sanshiro** » Sat Dec 24, 2005 3:18 am

Have you been able to find anything at the mame forums, Quzar?

thanx

BTW: actually i was looking for a better reason to bump the topic, but i couldn't find any better than my desire to play this great game on my DC... sorry

Post by **Quzar** » Sat Dec 24, 2005 5:12 am

haha, well i tried to contact a mame dev to no avail, it probably isn't any sort of priority. either way, i began the rewriting of the driver and such, don't know when i'll have it ready though, as i've been spending a lot of time with friends and family (since we are close to holidays and whatnot). I would work on it tonight, but noche buena and all.