Ideas for Scherzo's NesterDC SE.

lackofsense · Post by **lackofsense** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 9:00 pm

perhaps a sticky

s3ga · Post by **s3ga** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 4:29 am

LyingWake wrote:We have a lot of topics for NesterDC SE. Creating another will just end up in more unorganized scattered information.

Not if the topic is locked, stickied, and only used for one purpose -- as a compilation of requests for scherzo to look over. The idea is the complete opposite of unorganized or scattered.

Remember, it was scherzo who requested a compiled list. While this is a useful idea, there are now two different and incomplete lists for him to look over. They're also buried on page 12 of this thread, which certainly wouldn't win any organization awards. A single up to date list where he doesn't have to flip through a thread comparing different lists would help to save him time, and I think we can all agree that saving his time is important.

I highly doubt this is a big deal for scherzo, but I believe he expects just a little help from the community, since we're the ones making requests of his personal time to implement the features we want.

Strapping Scherzo · Post by **Strapping Scherzo** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 1:40 pm

I should just put up a list on my "site" that list everything I know that I have to do. Like a public TODO list. And as I finish things, I'll check 'em off.

LyingWake · Post by **LyingWake** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:29 pm

s3ga wrote:Not if the topic is locked, stickied, and only used for one purpose -- as a compilation of requests for scherzo to look over. The idea is the complete opposite of unorganized or scattered.

Remember, it was scherzo who requested a compiled list. While this is a useful idea, there are now two different and incomplete lists for him to look over. They're also buried on page 12 of this thread, which certainly wouldn't win any organization awards. A single up to date list where he doesn't have to flip through a thread comparing different lists would help to save him time, and I think we can all agree that saving his time is important.

I highly doubt this is a big deal for scherzo, but I believe he expects just a little help from the community, since we're the ones making requests of his personal time to implement the features we want.

Well put. I agree with scherzo's above post, I think it would be a lot easier to whip up a really quick page and check them off as he goes though them.

impact135 · Post by **impact135** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 4:58 pm

super mario bros 3 and little nemo the dream master are not emulated properly on 7.1

on the far right of the screen its all garbled and doesnt look right.

TwinMill · Post by **TwinMill** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 7:28 pm

super mario bros 3 is like that on a real nes. i can't speak for little nemo, but i'm pretty sure its the same.

mankrip · Post by **mankrip** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 10:14 pm

on the far right of the screen its all garbled and doesnt look right.

It also happens on a real NES. The only way to "fix" it is by clipping the left and/or right sides of the screen.

By the way, 2 (more) suggestions for scherzo: if/when you implement the clipping, make it a bit customizable. Some games only need the right side clipped, some only need the left side clipped, and the amount of clipping may vary also. Clipping 8 pixel collumns is enough for some games, but Kirby's Adventure needs clipping on the 16 pixel collumns at the left side of the screen.

I had suggested that you try implementing the 2xSaI filter, but now I changed my mind. The Elsemi's SuperScale filter from Mame32 Plus is a lot sharper than 2xSaI, looks great on games with simple graphics (like all NES games), and is much faster than 2xSaI. I think you may be able to implement it with maybe a little frameskipping.

Strapping Scherzo · Post by **Strapping Scherzo** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 9:09 am

Fragger wrote:
on the far right of the screen its all garbled and doesnt look right.
It also happens on a real NES. The only way to "fix" it is by clipping the left and/or right sides of the screen.

By the way, 2 (more) suggestions for scherzo: if/when you implement the clipping, make it a bit customizable. Some games only need the right side clipped, some only need the left side clipped, and the amount of clipping may vary also. Clipping 8 pixel collumns is enough for some games, but Kirby's Adventure needs clipping on the 16 pixel collumns at the left side of the screen.

I had suggested that you try implementing the 2xSaI filter, but now I changed my mind. The Elsemi's SuperScale filter from Mame32 Plus is a lot sharper than 2xSaI, looks great on games with simple graphics (like all NES games), and is much faster than 2xSaI. I think you may be able to implement it with maybe a little frameskipping.

You can reposition the "screen" however you want, so if you want to clip the right side in SMB3, then go for it.

Thanks for the info on Elsemi's SuperScale. That's one I never heard of. I'll check it out.

Hobbes T Tiger · Post by **Hobbes T Tiger** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:48 am

I'll dream about the final release again if it would help...?

Skywalker · Post by **Skywalker** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:58 am

Man, I just found out about this (been out of the DC scene for a while). I don't know how you guys haven't gone completely crazy waiting for this. I can't fucking wait for it. This will be the best emulator ever for any system, I can tell. Scherzo, you kick ass. I wish there were more people like you in the community. We'd have far less emulators and homebrew games that never get past the demo stage...

Sir Savant · Post by **Sir Savant** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:30 pm

I personally think the lists are basically the same, only mine a little more detailed.

The topics should be merged. Thats what I have to say.

I went through the other topics, they just reiterate what was said here. I did find some new stuff, but reviewed it and it was similar to stuff on my list.

I updated my list. Hope this helps Scherzo.

Strapping Scherzo · Post by **Strapping Scherzo** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:36 pm

Dark Savant0 wrote:Hope this helps Scherzo.

Yeah, this helps a lot and saves me time. Now I only have two or three main posts to look at again instead of pages and pages of null worthy junk (yes, I know I'm mostly to blame).

I'm going to try to combine the lists and get a single list up on my site over the next couple of days.

Sir Savant · Post by **Sir Savant** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:40 pm

I will update when necessary.

s3ga · Post by **s3ga** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 9:08 pm

When I first compared the lists, the disable full screen stretch option is the only item I found that I didn't see on both lists. Whether I missed it, or whether you added it later really doesn't matter as long as scherzo makes sense of everything.

I just went over your updated list and it's lookin' good, Dark Savant0. The "edited through..." idea is a good one.

nakamichi · Post by **nakamichi** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:07 pm

I'm even more interested in your release of the PC version of Nester SE

Will that be released at the same time as well?

Strapping Scherzo · Post by **Strapping Scherzo** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 6:35 am

nakamichi wrote:I'm even more interested in your release of the PC version of Nester SE
Will that be released at the same time as well?

I'd like to do it together but I've already taken forever for just the DC version. I'm not sure yet.

DARKGATE · Post by **DARKGATE** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 2:23 pm

SCHERZO the emu status percent for got the final version?

WE see it at the end of JULY?

Strapping Scherzo · Post by **Strapping Scherzo** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 2:51 pm

Uh, I think the answer to your question is... If we say that when I first started was 0% and when I finish will be 100%, then I'd say I'm around 70% done.

If I can get back into the swing of things, I think the end of August would be a safer bet considering I'll be moving at the end of July.

Dreamcast4life · Post by **Dreamcast4life** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:05 am

OH NO! where are you moving to,scherzo?

Strapping Scherzo · Post by **Strapping Scherzo** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:30 am

Nowhere drastic. Probably just closer to work to cut down on the drive there.