The bill to outlaw circumcision

Lartrak · Post by **Lartrak** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:42 am

From what I have seen in my bio of sexuality class, and the smeg and infection

All that crap is prevented the vast, vast majority of the time by regular bathing.

Jihad (holy war against all non-muslims) is a religious practice of Islam, but is it legal?

That's not what Jihad is.

Thats it, you got it just right. Because waiting until a girl is starting her first period, usually around 12 years old, holding her down, and sawing away at her clitoris with wire or shards of glass without any sanitary conditions and without any numbing agent is EXACTLY the same as numbing a babies forskin and performing a MINOR operation that takes at most 40 seconds in a sanitary hospital during a time in his life where he has virtually no brain power, and absolutely no mental retention.

Well, not all female circumcision is like that. Sometimes it IS done in hospitals with anesthesia, and they don't always mutilate it to deliberately reduce pleasure.

BTW, they don't always numb babies for various reasons, and it is proven they feel pain in it. People who think otherwise are simply fooling themselves.

ragnarok2040 · Post by **ragnarok2040** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:58 am

Nobody ever said the babies don't feel pain, it's just that they don't retain a memory of the pain at so early in life.

greay · Post by **greay** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:20 am

Unless you believe those kooks that go on about stuff like "birth trauma" and how that causes most of societies ills.

OneThirty8 · Post by **OneThirty8** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:42 pm

greay wrote:Unless you believe those kooks that go on about stuff like "birth trauma" and how that causes most of societies ills.

If by 'birth trauma' you mean 'the trauma of being born to rotten parents,' then that is responsible for a great deal of society's ills.

Stormwatch · Post by **Stormwatch** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:30 pm

Fragger wrote:I'm just curious, Stormwatch... Which was your age when you got circumcized, why it was done, and what was your opinion at that time? I hope I'm not being too intrusive about this.

No problem, it's a fair question. Happened last year - I'm 24 now. "And why the hell did you do that, fool?", you must be wondering. Well, read this article... what happened to me was pretty much the same.

arrowhead wrote:It takes an s-load of concentration on my part to last a long time when Im with my girlfriend. If I had more sensitivity, I would be like howard stern says, "the best 45 seconds of her life".

Newsflash to you: Stern is circumcised - and also wants it outlawed. After all, circumcision causes premature ejaculation. Read this testimonial:

"I became obsessed with the idea that my boyfriend should be circumcised. We were very happy together, and much in common, and best of all we were very compatible in bed. But I refused to get married until he was circumcised -- and he gave in.

That little operation completely destroyed our life together. Before he had fabulous staying power, but after the operation he would have an orgasm in five minutes and leave me high and dry. To make things worse, sex became very painful to me. Twice I had to see a doctor due to minor infections from the chafing. Our beautiful sexual togetherness became a nightmare of staying creams, lubricants and frustrations.

He says he will never forgive me, and we no longer speak to each other... but I cannot forget what a stupid mistake I made which altered the life of a lovely person."

- Carolyn LaRoc, letter to Playgirl, February 1975

Skynet · Post by **Skynet** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:31 am

To make things worse, sex became very painful to me

Well I think her problem lies here:

he would have an orgasm in five minutes and leave me high and dry

They should get some lube instead

Stormwatch · Post by **Stormwatch** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:52 am

"Just get some lube", you say? The same line of thought would be: dude gets leg chopped off, is pissed off, and someone says: "Sheesh, just get some crutches and quit whining, will ya!" Well, sure, that's a more radical situation, but the fact remains: they should not need the lube. Sex worked perfect when the guy was intact, and it suxx0rz after he was cut. Lack of lube is not the problem - circumcision is.

Post by **Roofus** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:57 pm

Two questions:

1) Why do you care if it's outlawed in the US when you're in Brazil?
2) If a guy wants to be circumcised (for whatever reason) shouldn't he be allowed to?

Stormwatch · Post by **Stormwatch** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:01 pm

1) Just a little personal obsession, you see...

I would like to see child circumcision outlawed everywhere (absolutely no "religion" exceptions). Maybe... when something bad happens to you, you want to make sure it won't happen to others. A bit like an alcoholic quits drinking, and starts going to places like schools to give testimonials of his life, telling the kids what hell one's life can be when you're an alcoholic.

I heard it is likely to be outlawed soon in France, and other european countries are also thinking about it. As I usually say: other than USA, Israel, South Korea, and muslim countries, most of the world regards circumcision as some freakish ritual of savage tribes from primitive lands.

2) The aforementioned bill would outlaw infant circumcision only. Adults can do it if they want. Even so, that would clearly bring it to a screeching halt: not many adults - especially if aware of the nasty side effects - would choose to have one for themselves (nowadays, even many doctors are not aware, and some medical associations pussyfoot around the issue). This also would mean it would no longer be common or socially acceptable. That is, a virtuous circle of taking away all reasons to circumcise.

But, you see, nothing of this would have changed my situation. I had it done by medical error. As an adult, and I did NOT consent to it... I've already explained this.

Oh, by the way, Roofus... get a better sig!

Skynet · Post by **Skynet** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 6:05 am

"Just get some lube", you say? The same line of thought would be: dude gets leg chopped off, is pissed off, and someone says: "Sheesh, just get some crutches and quit whining, will ya!" Well, sure, that's a more radical situation, but the fact remains: they should not need the lube. Sex worked perfect when the guy was intact, and it suxx0rz after he was cut. Lack of lube is not the problem - circumcision is.

It was a joke, hence the smilies

Anyway, I dunno if this has been said before, but I'm saying it now.

If you can't be bothered keeping it clean if you have a foreskin, then you don't deserve your tally wacker to start with. If you ain't gonna clean it, you don't deserve to have one. It's just personal hygeine

mankrip · Post by **mankrip** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 1:42 am

Skynet wrote:If you can't be bothered keeping it clean if you have a foreskin, then you don't deserve your tally wacker to start with. If you ain't gonna clean it, you don't deserve to have one. It's just personal hygeine

Agreed 100%.

FETUS · Post by **FETUS** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:43 am

I'm not reading all this but I think the JDL might have a problem with this

Mrfiddlez · Post by **Mrfiddlez** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 11:04 am

First of all,
If your cut, You can still get Infections
and puss and shit coming out,
My Mr Happy is still happy as he didnt
see a 6inch knife shining in flourescent lights
of a hospital, Ive never had an Infection
and when showering it takes about 2secs
or less to wash, you dont even think about it....
i would kill my parents if i was circumcised,
infact, i would get my mum circumcised,
seeing as my dad already is.....
And you do lose pleasure in Masturbation,
as i think its something like 50,000 nerve cells
are contained in that peice of skin, and they do feel good,
having your foreskin surgically replaced does not
replace those cells, those cells are dead....

Stormwatch · Post by **Stormwatch** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:08 pm

Okay, guess it's time for some good news. If you are circumcised, you can UNDO it! Well, sort of...

Non-surgical foreskin reconstruction is a do-it-yourself method. You don't even have to talk to a doctor, all you need is some patience (from a few months to over a year) and some rolls of micropore tape. So, it is safe, painless, and dirt cheap.

The principle: apply tension to the skin of the penis, inducing it to grow over the glans and create a replacement foreskin. Sadly, it will not restore the lost nerves. So it can not be as perfect as the real thing. However, it will protect the glans. It most probably is keratinized (dried and hardened), but when it is protected, it will revert to a more natural state. Also, the gliding effect will be also restored.

What it means to you: men who have done it (like I did) usually report: more pleasure and comfort in sex to you - and to your girl too, as the gliding effect reduces attriction.

Interested? More info HERE.

Zealous zerotype · Post by **Zealous zerotype** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:41 pm

Ok 1 getting ti removed becuase of cleanign is liek cutting your ass checks off so you do not have to wipe your ass....
2.Roofus has that sig as a joke....he does use firefox or somethgin else.
3.Who the fuck cares?I mena unless you have gone uncircumsized then had it done you can not judge the diffrence.

Stormwatch · Post by **Stormwatch** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:27 pm

Ever heard of labectomy?

Zealous zerotype · Post by **Zealous zerotype** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:41 pm

Stormwatch wrote:Ever heard of labectomy?

Yes I have it is the removal of certain parts around the mouth if I am correct.

Stormwatch · Post by **Stormwatch** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:06 pm

Dude... it's a joke!

Zealous zerotype · Post by **Zealous zerotype** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:20 pm

Hey you asked a question I gave you an answer....

OneThirty8 · Post by **OneThirty8** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:53 pm

zerotype wrote:Ok 1 getting ti removed becuase of cleanign is liek cutting your ass checks off so you do not have to wipe your ass....

Yeah, but you can sit without your foreskin.