'Radquake Final' and mods...
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I thought Fragger added an invert option to the menus... hmm...
I know its a simple thing to do if it isnt in there... because if it wasnt there at all I added the options to QuakeX's menu for inverting BOTH analog sticks instead of just the right stick.
And I have no clue why Ian would have went in and did that to the step height. That seems like a completely random thing to edit. and why to 30??
I know its a simple thing to do if it isnt in there... because if it wasnt there at all I added the options to QuakeX's menu for inverting BOTH analog sticks instead of just the right stick.
And I have no clue why Ian would have went in and did that to the step height. That seems like a completely random thing to edit. and why to 30??
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Luckly I was smart enough to save this page before Ian Micheal deleted my posts. He also removed my moderator status and set my status to "last warning", and put up an announcement saying that anyone who tries to "hijack" his topics with "off-topic" statements will be banned.
speud: I don't think that any of these two posts that Ian deleted had anything offensive, and I think that you will agree with me. One of the reasons why I posted this here is because Ian Micheal deleted it before you had any chance to see it.
Well, I don't care if Ian Micheal bans me from his forums. I don't have anything to do in there anymore.
Luckly I was smart enough to save this page before Ian Micheal deleted my posts. He also removed my moderator status and set my status to "last warning", and put up an announcement saying that anyone who tries to "hijack" his topics with "off-topic" statements will be banned.
speud: I don't think that any of these two posts that Ian deleted had anything offensive, and I think that you will agree with me. One of the reasons why I posted this here is because Ian Micheal deleted it before you had any chance to see it.
Well, I don't care if Ian Micheal bans me from his forums. I don't have anything to do in there anymore.
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Tyne's post was deleted, but he asked me to post it here:
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Same as above, but Tyne edited it a bit:
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I was told that these MHT files doesn't work with Mozilla, so I'm going to put HTML versions soon.
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Same as above, but Tyne edited it a bit:
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I was told that these MHT files doesn't work with Mozilla, so I'm going to put HTML versions soon.
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speud, it's entirely relevant, it's about the deteriating nonsense that's succeeded in mucking up what was community project - just because you and Ian have been doing the latest work, doesn't mean that it's "yours". Neither of you started it, and, ultimately it's gpl anyway.
Without id showing more maturity and and a better community sensibility, we wouldn't even have this software to be using on our dreamcasts. You don't get that do you? You complain about people highlighting problems with your port, but forget (or don't even know) that Quake was coded completely with modders in mind, it's structure and features were influenced by feedback for the doom community, and it's success to this day is because it still, after many years, has a thriving mod community.
You can turn your back from that if you want, but think, and in all modesty, if me, TDA, Tyne, Fragger, FrikaC and many others hadn't been trying to get mods working with dc quake, do you even think there'd be much of an audience for the latest update to a dc quake port? Do you miss all the posts saying that people are excited to be palying a "new game" on their dreamcast, because a new mod gives them that?
The latest port doesn't support features that:
1) Basic quake does
2) Later versions do
These are important in allowing a creative dc mod community, you've never been attacked for their abscence, they have just been pointed out, you've been attacked for your attitude afterwards.
In Raptors! there's a level where the lights turn out, however in Titanium's port, dynamic lights don't work, is that a fault with my mod? Or is that soemthing that a complete port would include?
Without id showing more maturity and and a better community sensibility, we wouldn't even have this software to be using on our dreamcasts. You don't get that do you? You complain about people highlighting problems with your port, but forget (or don't even know) that Quake was coded completely with modders in mind, it's structure and features were influenced by feedback for the doom community, and it's success to this day is because it still, after many years, has a thriving mod community.
You can turn your back from that if you want, but think, and in all modesty, if me, TDA, Tyne, Fragger, FrikaC and many others hadn't been trying to get mods working with dc quake, do you even think there'd be much of an audience for the latest update to a dc quake port? Do you miss all the posts saying that people are excited to be palying a "new game" on their dreamcast, because a new mod gives them that?
The latest port doesn't support features that:
1) Basic quake does
2) Later versions do
These are important in allowing a creative dc mod community, you've never been attacked for their abscence, they have just been pointed out, you've been attacked for your attitude afterwards.
In Raptors! there's a level where the lights turn out, however in Titanium's port, dynamic lights don't work, is that a fault with my mod? Or is that soemthing that a complete port would include?
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Which means they yanked the dynamic lighting code. While experimenting with GLQuake on the Dreamcast, I found that the dynamic lighting code slows things down to a crawl. Basically, it needs serious modification ot get it working well enough on the Dreamcast. That's probably why they just removed it.r_dynamic has no effect in QuakeDC.
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I said it to Fragger and I'll say it again here, speud and Ian are the type of people who will hate you for life, ban you and act like jerks to you if you're pointing out flaws and things that need fixing in their work rather then praising them and treating them like they're #1 - which they're clearly not.
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Sorta like how you wrote names of people you dislike in the RADQuake Final readme? Hypocrite.speud wrote:do you really think that belongs here seriously?
someone wasnt nice with me in the metro last week, should i post it in here as well? :|
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If his mod works fine on the PC version of Quake, but does not work properly on the DC version of RADQuake, and RADQuake is supposed to be a port of Quake, there is nothing wrong with the mod, there is something unsupported, or broken in the ported engine. Saying it is the porter's responsibility to make all mods work oversteps boundries, but it also isnt the fault of the modder, especially if the mod was targeted at PC Quake. Bugs are bugs. Errors are errors. Focus should not be put so much on to who is to blame, but the fact that a solution has been found. Its sad that the first thing that happened when the step define problem was found was that everyone was like 'who did this?' instead of "who will fix this for us?" (to reiterate this is aimed at everyone, here and elsewhere, because you all did this).
That all being said, we also have to all remember that all devvers(be they coders, artists, modders, or any other thing) do not have an obligation to the scene, or to the users at all. So, users, you shouldn't be mean to a devver if he did something you dont like. At the same time though, devvers, users have no responsibility to you either, so if they do complain or mock you, insult you or otherwise, they have no responsibility at all to be courteous( although it is a nice thing...).
All in all, we must always keep in mind, we do this, be we giver or taker, consumer or producer, because we want to, our reasons for wanting to may be different, but since it is a free choice, you are free to leave at any time, as well as you are free to say what you want to whom you want.
That all being said, we also have to all remember that all devvers(be they coders, artists, modders, or any other thing) do not have an obligation to the scene, or to the users at all. So, users, you shouldn't be mean to a devver if he did something you dont like. At the same time though, devvers, users have no responsibility to you either, so if they do complain or mock you, insult you or otherwise, they have no responsibility at all to be courteous( although it is a nice thing...).
All in all, we must always keep in mind, we do this, be we giver or taker, consumer or producer, because we want to, our reasons for wanting to may be different, but since it is a free choice, you are free to leave at any time, as well as you are free to say what you want to whom you want.
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I disagree, most mods would work easily and completely correctly on RADQuake if they took not even a day to fix the tiny mistakes they've made during the porting process - instead they act like nothing's wrong with it and if you point out any flaws then your ignored, treated like a piece of garbage, and hated so don't even bother. It's not my fault that Corporal steps on top of things he shouldn't be because Ian Micheal made a physics change because he doesn't know what he's doing and then blames my mod for similar cases like that."Saying it is the porter's responsibility to make all mods work oversteps boundries"
Mods targetted for PC Quake are different yes and do not apply as much to this situation - still because of some blind changes in RADQuake mods that could work properly on it, do not, and once again with a tiny fix they could. Prydon Gate or any mods that print too many centerprint lines down the screen crash RADQuake because of a poor decision in what resolution speud made it use, is it the modders responsibility to go back and change over 1000 lines code (in Prydon Gates case) to fix the centerprint when Ian or speud could of just changed a couple of lines resulting in a 240y resolution and the mod would work fine?
NxQuake will stomp RADQuake (Really Annoying Developer Quake) Final in the end, I can see it forecoming anyways and I fully support BlackAura, Metafox, and Fragger.
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You misunderstood me completely and continue to show that you do not understand how it works. Nobody has any responsibility to anyone else here, or anywhere else, in this type of thing. So even if they SHOULD do it (a point which I am staying away from), they have no responsility to do so.Tyne wrote:I disagree, ... snip ..."Saying it is the porter's responsibility to make all mods work oversteps boundries"
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Oh I know how it works, engines that break compatibilty when they shouldn't have to are shunned by the Quake community and are no longer considered "Quake" really, go into #qc and ask about Tenebrae and everyone there will laugh. I've been in the Quake scene since the day it came out and have never left, so I know how it works more then most people including yourself.quzar wrote:You misunderstood me completely and continue to show that you do not understand how it works. Nobody has any responsibility to anyone else here, or anywhere else, in this type of thing. So even if they SHOULD do it (a point which I am staying away from), they have no responsility to do so.Tyne wrote:I disagree, ... snip ..."Saying it is the porter's responsibility to make all mods work oversteps boundries"
I wouldn't of made such a big deal if Ian Micheal didn't start pointing fingers at modders and blaming us because our mods do not work on his flakey Quake engine. I know he doesn't have to change or fix it but he can atleast accept the fact that he messed up not me or any other modder.
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