Reagan dies

[Lartrak]

I didnt either. I thought in his 70's or 80's.

I knew he was that old. I vaguely remember it being a big deal about how old he was when he was president, near the end of his second term. Why I was even paying attention to something like that at the age of 5, I don't know.

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I knew he was the oldest president, so I would have assumed he'd had been pretty old

[Warmachine]

I dont know stuff about presidents thats why, I only know like maybe 10 out of 50...

[MystiK]

great president my ass,reagan supported apartheid in south africa, that's even worse than israel. I'm already sick of the media coverage. He was VERY old and sick, they act like he was still serving and died before his time or something.

[SuperMegatron]

great president my ass,reagan supported apartheid in south africa, that's even worse than israel. I'm already sick of the media coverage. He was VERY old and sick, they act like he was still serving and died before his time or something.

Reagan ended the cold war, doubled the stock market, brought inflation from 12% to like 2%,created 20 million jobs, gave amnesty to all mexicans living in the us so they could become citizens,cut taxes, & made america a true super power if that doesn't make a great president nothing does. People like to say Reagan didn't do much with aids or other social problems but he couldn't he had the soviets on the ropes and he was pounding the hell out of them if he diverted and money to other social issues the soviet would have had some wiggle room as for South Africa I doubt Reagan supported Apartheid I lived through the 80's and never once heard him says hey apartheid is great keep it up south africa he might have acted like it didn't exist but again that was a different time had he pressured them to stop the practice they could have gone communist and that would be a bigger problem for us. Like him or not Reagan is the reason most americans have jobs pay lower taxes and have less government intervention in there life

[Cn'Fused]

Could you have summarised all that with two full stops Megatron?

He did do a good job recovering the ecomony, which was dragged down as a result of the 1970's, but his other achievements weren't that spectacular.
He ended the Cold War? Sure. Flexing some American muscle and threatening to build a "Star Wars" defence program really scared the USSR into collapsing. I'll bet Gerald Ford happened to be the president who ended the Vietnam War, just because he happened to pull all the troops out in 1975...

And the economics of the period left their mark. There's a big gap between rich and poor these days, unions have less power than they once did - this limits the power blue collar workers have, and so on. Add the Contra affair and Nicaragua to his legacy and you don't see him as a super person.

I never liked him much - an actor becoming a president reminds me of Governor Arnie. He did do things that were thought to be right at the time - Economic Rationalism occured everywhere - but he certainly wasn't a great president.
Then again, who is a great president?

[Lartrak]

great president my ass,reagan supported apartheid in south africa, that's even worse than israel. I'm already sick of the media coverage. He was VERY old and sick, they act like he was still serving and died before his time or something.

Reagan ended the cold war, doubled the stock market, brought inflation from 12% to like 2%,created 20 million jobs, gave amnesty to all mexicans living in the us so they could become citizens,cut taxes, & made america a true super power if that doesn't make a great president nothing does. People like to say Reagan didn't do much with aids or other social problems but he couldn't he had the soviets on the ropes and he was pounding the hell out of them if he diverted and money to other social issues the soviet would have had some wiggle room as for South Africa I doubt Reagan supported Apartheid I lived through the 80's and never once heard him says hey apartheid is great keep it up south africa he might have acted like it didn't exist but again that was a different time had he pressured them to stop the practice they could have gone communist and that would be a bigger problem for us. Like him or not Reagan is the reason most americans have jobs pay lower taxes and have less government intervention in there life

By supporting it, they mean the US blocked attempts to end apartheid (we nixed earlier attempts at an economic embargo at the UN), and we continued to do business with them.

[ETR]

Hate to be the heartless bastard, but good riddance. His trickle-down economic policy screwed the american economy over in the long run, not to mention his lovely "reverse cuban missle crisis" (Do some research, he placed missles less than 15 min away from moscow, I have the NYT article lying around here somewhere) set us up for some of the terrorist activity we've seen now, and damaged US relations with europe. Any time we manage to get the russian premier to threaten to turn italy "Into another Pompeii" (if the missles were allowed to stay) probably means we're doing something wrong.

[SuperMegatron]

Any time we manage to get the russian premier to threaten to turn italy "Into another Pompeii" (if the missles were allowed to stay) probably means we're doing something wrong.

ummm... if we did something wrong wouldn't the soviets still be taking over small nations right now. The russians got 10 nations before reagan and they lost 3 of those back to us under reagan and with reagan forcing the soviets to match us in Nukes the Soviets ran out of money they couldn't afford to keep there strong hold on eastern europe and continue to fight the cold war and they imploded. As for the comments about trickle down economics not working look at the numbers reagan created 20 million new jobs if his economic plans didn't work we might have say a little growth but we went from 10% unemployment to 4-5% liberals cheer clinton for doing that but tend not to give reagan any credit for what he did Carter totally messed up America hands down the worse US president in history. He basically turned America in to france a welfare state with big words and no muscle to back them up. Carter let a small ass country like Iran hold american hostages for over a year if reagan were in office he would have said give me our people back or lose control of your country carter wouldnt do that and it hurt american moral.

[SuperMegatron]

By supporting it, they mean the US blocked attempts to end apartheid (we nixed earlier attempts at an economic embargo at the UN), and we continued to do business with them.

You cant judge the past by the standards of today. That was not a major world issue then. I don't know if you were old enough to remember that time, I am americans didn't give a rats ass what was happening there then they cared about 1.Inflation 2.Jobs 3. Soviet aggression that said look at history at that time countries had to ways to go our way or the soviet way so if we pissed off South Africa they could have set up a trade pact with the russian or became communist themselves its not like it is today the world is totally different know. Take Israel if america had cut our military aid to them the russians would have gave them it in return for joining them. Our containment policies basically were support anyone who isnt a soviet. Its not a good policy now but it was then.

[ETR]

Megatron: Just remember, in the long run, Reagan's trickle down policy did cause the US economy to go into a recession. Ah, the 'beauty' of Reaganomics.

[pavelbure]

Megatron: Just remember, in the long run, Reagan's trickle down policy did cause the US economy to go into a recession. Ah, the 'beauty' of Reaganomics.

not one thing you said was correct. neither is this.

[SuperMegatron]

Megatron: Just remember, in the long run, Reagan's trickle down policy did cause the US economy to go into a recession. Ah, the 'beauty' of Reaganomics.

Actually it was bush 1's tax increase along with gas costs

[Covar]

Carter let a small ass country like Iran hold american hostages for over a year if reagan were in office he would have said give me our people back or lose control of your country

which is exactly what happend on his inaugeration day.

and with the objection to reganomics could someone please explain to me how exactly letting people who make money keep it doesn't work, and is supposedly undemocratic(according to some).

also how exactly does raising the taxes help me boost the economy?

[ETR]

not one thing you said was correct. neither is this.
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I'd like to see some proof that nothing I've said is correct. I'll gladly back up my comments on reagan, I just gotta find the damn article. . . bleh, where'd I put it?

[SuperMegatron]

which is exactly what happend on his inaugeration day.

and with the objection to reganomics could someone please explain to me how exactly letting people who make money keep it doesn't work, and is supposedly undemocratic(according to some).

also how exactly does raising the taxes help me boost the economy?

Most people here think the rich should be punished for being rich and have there wealth removed and given the the poor people and then we can all be equal of course thats communism/socialism... But to be fair raising taxes can sometimes help the economy if it is balanced clinton raised taxes on income but congress cut capitol gains tax and that helped the economy Carter raised taxes but didnt offset in any other way kinda like what kerry wants to do he wants to raise taxes on the rich and increase the capitol gains tax if he get elected the stock market will drop to 8000 as everyone with money in the market will sell before his increase takes effect. Reagan knew if people have more money they spend more and that creates jobs and fuels the economy liberals hate reagan because the want a Euro-America a place like Canada where everyone has entitlements and government subsidies and 15% unemployment

[Roofus]

Most people here think the rich should be punished for being rich and have there wealth removed

The rich have most of the money, therefore they sholud pay most of the taxes. That isn't punishment; it's fair.

[q_006]

from what i've read they do pay most of the taxes.
.... this type of talk makes you not wanna be rich.

[SuperMegatron]

The rich have most of the money, therefore they sholud pay most of the taxes. That isn't punishment; it's fair.

True but they shouldn't pay 70% of there income in federal taxes like they did under carter the level under reagan was a fair level. High taxes on the rich hurt the poor look at the 70's if rich people have less to invest they dont start new companies and they dont employ people. We need to move away from subsidizing the poor they have the same chances as the middle and upper class and if they cant make it to bad thats harsh but its capitalism and thats what this country was founded on everyone has a chance if they muck up and end up in the poor house oh well its there own fault,and since I am ranting I will add in my opinion on unions American Unions cost jobs look at the auto industry they unionized and a guy that installs a windshield gets 100,000 bucks a year so the automakers close up shop and move to mexico if they broke up the unions the automakers could pay with the market I know people who would install windshields for 20,000 a year they should be able to compete for those jobs. Electrolux a vacuum maker closed a plant in the midwest last year nixing 4,000 jobs because the workers unionized they priced themselves right out of a job. If America keeps going like it is we will lose our status as the number 1 economy in the world to china

[SuperMegatron]

from what i've read they do pay most of the taxes.
.... this type of talk makes you not wanna be rich.

Yeap its not real bad if you have a accountant right now. My family hired a kick ass accountant that cut our taxes almost in half. Basically if you have to put a ton of money into retirement packages and keep a mortgage on your house and write off every single business expense you can pay what a average middle class family would pay and the funny thing is the accountants services can be wrote off to lol. But that will all change if Kerry wins the white house so dont vote Democrat.