this is about the smash pack, but it might be appropriate.

ethoscapade · Post by **ethoscapade** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 9:03 pm

i know, i know, no discussions is allowed, but i've been thinking, and i've really got to ask...

ian, blackaura, and anybody else who is currently working on a genesis project: have any of you so much as looked at the source code of the smashpack (and is it even in a comprehendable format)?

i know we don't allow modifying it or using it in any way, and i'm not about to ask that, but with all the difficulty that seems to be involved with fullspeed genesis emulator, i have to wonder if we're missing out on some enormous, key step, due to - dare i say - ignorance?

forgive me if i'm overstepping my boundaries; i usually am. but in my (extremely limited) history as a programmer, nothing has helped me more when i'm stuck than looking at other people's similar code and thinking of some way to implement their ideas into mine.

and that goes without being said, i think.

speud · Post by **speud** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 9:07 pm

releasing an emulator based on the smash pack's source (assuming it would be "available" somewhere) would be the same as releasing it in its warez form.
plus genesis plus is supposed to have improvements over the smash pack in terms of compatibility and sound.

The OK Pope · Post by **The OK Pope** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:15 pm

Question:
What if a few developers looked at the Smash Pack source code, then found someone who had never seen the code, and assisted them, hinting at ways to code a Genesis emulator? Much like the reverse-engineering techniques used by early PC makers?

emptythought · Post by **emptythought** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:28 pm

Don't you think you're using your imagination a bit much? Do you really think the source code to the Smash Pack will ever be released?

Warmachine · Post by **Warmachine** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:40 pm

I dont think anyone would even look at the Smash Pack source code because it is illegal, not on the web, and just because.

The OK Pope · Post by **The OK Pope** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:42 pm

Well, the Bleemcast Blue Beta source code is up for download. It's not out of the question that the Smash Pack source is out there somewhere.

Rand Linden · Post by **Rand Linden** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 12:08 am

The source code is NOT up for download -- it's a disassembly of garbage that someone thinks is source code.

Rand.

Post by **Quzar** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 12:53 am

Either way, iirc, the smash pack is only a genesis simulator not a genesis emulator. (as opposed to replicating the inner workings to get the same output as the real machine, it does whatever it wants to get the output of the real machine)

law56ker · Post by **law56ker** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 5:04 am

It's an emulator of the genesis infact it was released on pc named kgen, smashpack is a port of kgen. I think only the sound was faked as i have read some on the forums say. Anyways we can discuss the smashpack but not the hack of it. The video emulation in the smashpack is great but it's too bad they sound was so bad. Sega shoulda waited to release it tell the sound was better.

Post by **Christuserloeser** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 5:13 am

It was never released on PC - It has Japanese coders credtied. I've not seen that much Genesis emulators for PC, but none of them was Japanese...
KGen98 by Steve Snake was the source for that Win32 emulator u could download at SEGA website not long ago, don't know if you still can...

Chris

law56ker · Post by **law56ker** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 5:23 am

Ok now i just read some more. the pc smashpack was based of kgen, but the dreamcast smashpack was not. No wonder the sound sucked, shame on sega.

Post by **Christuserloeser** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 5:36 am

KGen98 had a fantastic sound

...like Genecyst or now Gens too!

Chris

Heliophobe · Post by **Heliophobe** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 11:59 am

Rand Linden wrote:The source code is NOT up for download -- it's a disassembly of garbage that someone thinks is source code.

Rand.

dude trade you for the ultrahle src code pm me lol kthx bye

Nyarlathotep · Post by **Nyarlathotep** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 12:34 pm

Heliophobe wrote:
Rand Linden wrote:The source code is NOT up for download -- it's a disassembly of garbage that someone thinks is source code.

Rand.

dude trade you for the ultrahle src code pm me lol kthx bye

Good to see Heliophobe back on the boards

Hobbes T Tiger · Post by **Hobbes T Tiger** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 5:57 pm

Woah... SEGA had a Win32 emulator download?

Actually haven't I heard that before? You were meant to dump your own roms though, right?

Heliophobe · Post by **Heliophobe** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 6:06 pm

Hobbes T Tiger wrote:Woah... SEGA had a Win32 emulator download?

Actually haven't I heard that before? You were meant to dump your own roms though, right?

There were two PC based Genesis emulator packages from Sega that I was aware of.

One was a commercial release of the Sega Smash Pack, which had emulated versions of several Genesis games. This was based on KGen, unlike the dreamcast version.

The other was part of RealArcade, where you could pay $9.95 or so to download and play Genesis games. I don't know what this was running on, might have been KGen as well.

Neither would let you run it with your own ROMs (not that I know of anyway).

az_bont · Post by **az_bont** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 6:24 pm

The newer RealArcade emulator is Gens.

Rand Linden · Post by **Rand Linden** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 8:32 pm

Heliophobe wrote:dude trade you for the ultrahle src code pm me lol kthx bye

Actually, the source that's "out" for bleemcast is even worse that the disassembly of UltraHLE -- the b!DC "code" is literally garbage because it wasn't even decrypted when the disassembly was done, so it truly is just garbage.

Rand.