Blood 2: The Chosen

(soad)DarkSteel · Post by **(soad)DarkSteel** » Sun Mar 14, 2004 7:41 pm

Hi all,
Do you think we can play "Blood 2: The Chosen" on Dreamcast ?
The Source Code is available on the main site... I know many people think this game is a piece of S***, but I like this game...

BlackAura · Post by **BlackAura** » Sun Mar 14, 2004 7:59 pm

Only some of the game's source code is available. The engine source code is not available.

SuperMegatron · Post by **SuperMegatron** » Sun Mar 14, 2004 11:24 pm

Blood 1 was way better then blood 2 I loved to play that game online when mplayer had it in there game list ANAL MADNESS!!!!!

Dessico · Post by **Dessico** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 5:09 pm

Oh my, if someone ported Blood 1 to the dreamcast I would be in heaven...

It uses the same engine as Duke... I mean c'mon...

Just a dream I guess...

BlackAura · Post by **BlackAura** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 5:19 am

It uses the same engine as Duke, but the source code for the BUILD engine was released years ago, and nobody was able to get it to run Duke3D until the Duke3D game source code was released.

The problem with Blood 1 is that we don't have the game source code, only the engine. It's not possible to get Blood 1 running on the BUILD engine unless you replicate all of the additions they made to the code. And there are a lot of additions, just as in Duke 3D.

The problem with Blood 2 is the opposite. We have the game source code, but not the engine source code. It's based on the LithTech engine, and I don't think they'll ever release the complete source code to that, because it's still being developed and used in new games.

Ze_ro · Post by **Ze_ro** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 12:49 pm

It's too bad the Build games used so much of their own code. I'd love to have a disc with Duke Nukem, Blood and Shadow Warrior on it.... but Shadow Warrior is another case of "only having some of the source code". Oh well...

--Zero

cruonitrud?minuox · Post by **cruonitrud?minuox** » Wed May 19, 2004 11:55 am

There has been a leak of the Blood Alpha source code. Apparently way back in the day (maybe '93?), a developer at Monolith who was working on Blood took his computer in to be repaired and the repair guy snagged the source files off his PC. The zip files were password protected, and I spent about a week brute forcing them until I finally found the passwords were availible on the internet...oh well.

Anyway, this is an incredibly early version of Blood (the screenshots on the Duke Nukem shareware disk are taken from this Alpha) but the source code is there. I don't know how different this is...could it possibly help? I've been all over the Blood forums, and the source code release is a big topic. No one can seem to figure out what Monolith (or whoever owns Blood now) can possibly gain from keeping the source code private. There's speculation that the code is lost. I would love to see the port too, it's by far my favorite FPS ever. Those of you who know a little bit more about porting/source code and such, does this information help?

--Cruonit Rud?minuox (Bloodthirsty Believer)

Post by **Tyne** » Wed May 19, 2004 2:49 pm

The best line in blood was "scrotum seperation!!!" after you kill someone in deathmatch.

Lartrak · Post by **Lartrak** » Wed May 19, 2004 7:08 pm

Blood kicked ass. I need to get the full version one of these days.

lantus · Post by **lantus** » Wed May 19, 2004 7:12 pm

cruonitrud?minuox wrote:There has been a leak of the Blood Alpha source code.

yep - i can confirm this, some guy emailed me offering me the source if i would port it to Xbox.

BlackAura · Post by **BlackAura** » Wed May 19, 2004 10:25 pm

I don't think we can legally touch it.

lantus · Post by **lantus** » Wed May 19, 2004 10:29 pm

the second part of my story was, i turned him down for that reason

Ill wait for an official source release

cruonitrud?minuox · Post by **cruonitrud?minuox** » Fri May 21, 2004 11:15 am

BlackAura wrote:I don't think we can legally touch it.

lantus wrote:the second part of my story was, i turned him down for that reason

Yeah, but it's tempting isn't it?

Do you think the guy was even legit?

lantus · Post by **lantus** » Fri May 21, 2004 10:25 pm

yeah it was tempting. Blood was such a great game.

and yeah - it was definetly legit.

Hopefully we will see official source releases of Blood and Shadow Warrior sometime

bender · Post by **bender** » Sun May 23, 2004 9:45 am

Transfusion could be the way

:
http://www.planetblood.com/qblood

Zealous zerotype · Post by **Zealous zerotype** » Wed May 26, 2004 1:20 pm

If I learn c by the end of this year and I can code good enough to be on BlueCrabs ljsdcdev team then I will port blood1 to the dreamcats regardless how legal it is.I mean who the hell is it really huting?OMG THE GAME WE MADE ABOUT A DECADE AGO IS PORTED TO THE DREAMCAST!Anyways It probaly would have to be released in a "secrect" way.(Although I am just learning C this would be a good project for me later I also know this wouldnt be an easy task and if I sound like an ass hole I didnt mean to).

Ian Micheal · Post by **Ian Micheal** » Wed May 26, 2004 9:47 pm

People not caring if it's legal and doing it any way shine a bad light on the scene zeroType.

We all have a lot of temping things i have many that people send me via email. i dont even post about them so people can get temped.

Not worth doing till it's released.

Thing i dont get is Most of the Xbox scene is illegal due to using the Leaked Dev kit. I would of thought some one from the xbox scene would of ported it with out a 2nd thought. I mean really whats the diffrents. One's by microsoft? both leaked source.

Thats's why i stay away from the xbox it's based on Illegal dev kit. Not worth me risking my career for short term fun.

What if i end up working for microsoft. I doubt any one would want to deal with some one that works or ports things for the xbox.

lantus · Post by **lantus** » Thu May 27, 2004 8:15 am

uhh just because we develop using an illegal SDK, it doesnt mean we have no care in the world and we go around ripping everything and everyone off. We are still coders and we still respect one another. I am a contributor for the Snes9x team. Yes i ported the source to the Xbox - illegally, but i was contributed with many Win32 fixes which i did to give something back to the team. I am the person who was credited for getting Starfox2 working on Snes9x amongst other things. Many other Xbox porters are in touch with the original authors as well. On the flip side, some win32 authors have ported stuff to the Xbox as well. KawaKs comes to mind.

and to your second point : lots of ms staff download from #xbins. They dont seem to care. Xbox Media Centre is frequently talked about in the press. Toms Hardware page recently did a review of Xbox Media Center - an illegal piece of software built with an illegal XDK. Why hasnt MS come after the coders?

BlackAura · Post by **BlackAura** » Thu May 27, 2004 9:46 am

Why hasnt MS come after the coders?

Same reason they never bothered trying to stop people pirating Windows or Office until recently - they don't care, and they'd rather people use an illegal version of their dev tools than:

1 - Linux
2 - Write their own
3 - Code for a different console

Ian Micheal · Post by **Ian Micheal** » Thu May 27, 2004 11:55 am

Why is the SDK Less importain or moraly Less wrong, to use then, the Blood Source code is what i wanted to know.