Sega is evil!

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Post by dude322mg » Sat Sep 14, 2002 10:50 pm

I'm starting to really hate sega! My dreamcast now runs hardly ANY games anymore! Sega diserved to fail with the Dreamcast, in fact I think it was a mistake to make it! The how many systems have to fail until they realize that they should've went third party 3 systems ago :p. BTW, I probably will regret saying this but Im just really pissed right now.
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Post by Veggita2099 » Sat Sep 14, 2002 11:00 pm

STuff breaks, it happens.
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Post by Sultan of Saturn » Sun Sep 15, 2002 12:16 am

Exactly. Stuff does break. Get over it. Manufacturers grant 90 warranties that it will be free from defects. Car manufacturers usually give about 40,000 warranty. After these time periods, anything can happen. I have never had a console die on me and that includes all of my Sega systems. What does a Dreamcast cost these days? $40 used at pawn shops, $50 at Gamestop, for $75 worth of used games and accesories at EB you can pick up another one. Sega, Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, etc. are not all powerful and when you have many components, you are just playing the odds that none of them will go bad.
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Re: Sega is evil!

Post by |darc| » Sun Sep 15, 2002 1:15 am

dude322mg wrote:I'm starting to really hate sega! My dreamcast now runs hardly ANY games anymore! Sega diserved to fail with the Dreamcast, in fact I think it was a mistake to make it! The how many systems have to fail until they realize that they should've went third party 3 systems ago :p. BTW, I probably will regret saying this but Im just really pissed right now.

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Post by dude322mg » Sun Sep 15, 2002 9:21 am

Sultan of Saturn wrote:Exactly. Stuff does break. Get over it. Manufacturers grant 90 warranties that it will be free from defects. Car manufacturers usually give about 40,000 warranty. After these time periods, anything can happen. I have never had a console die on me and that includes all of my Sega systems. What does a Dreamcast cost these days? $40 used at pawn shops, $50 at Gamestop, for $75 worth of used games and accesories at EB you can pick up another one. Sega, Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, etc. are not all powerful and when you have many components, you are just playing the odds that none of them will go bad.

Yea, but I treat all my systems with great care and my SNES still works great but my dreamcast brakes within 3 years? I think thats fu cked up and my Genesis also broke! Even though I bought another one it still got me mad. BTW I got my new Genesis for just 5 dollars!
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Post by smelialichu » Sun Sep 15, 2002 9:25 am

Well that's the way it is with the 'more advanced' systems. They break easier, normally the lasers as you seem to have found out. t's sad but we have to live with it :(
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Post by BlackAura » Sun Sep 15, 2002 9:32 am

Maybe the GD drives were a mistake - they seem to wear out far to easily. I have personally only ever had two consoles break, and they were both Sega Master System v2s.

The first one broke when one of my friends tripped over the controller cable, causing the SMS to fall onto a concrete floor, which damaged the casing and the cartridge port, so we could only play Alex Kidd in Miracle World.

The second only broke because it got shipped by boat from Australia to England, and got damaged in transit.

Anyway, how many early model PSX and PS2s broke? And Xbox systems break too. Live with it.
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Post by The Kron » Sun Sep 15, 2002 9:37 am

dude322mg wrote:Yea, but I treat all my systems with great care and my SNES still works great but my dreamcast brakes within 3 years? I think thats fu cked up and my Genesis also broke! Even though I bought another one it still got me mad. BTW I got my new Genesis for just 5 dollars!
Due to the fact that you have been playing backups on it has been a factor on the way your DC's motor and laser are now acting hence not being able play any games anymore, dont blame Sega for the problems on your DC that you have caused!.

I have had my Japanese Launch DC since December 1998 and it is still going as if it were brand new (not a single fault).

If you want to look at badly produced consoles go look at the first model Playstation and the Playstation 2 I dont know a single person that hasnt had a laser problem with them. I myself have had 3 Playstations (one after another having the jumpy FMV syndrome then suddenly deciding not to load a single game) and my Japanese PS2 has started showing problems over the last few months.
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Post by CupNoodle » Sun Sep 15, 2002 10:47 am

The Kron wrote:
dude322mg wrote:Yea, but I treat all my systems with great care and my SNES still works great but my dreamcast brakes within 3 years? I think thats fu cked up and my Genesis also broke! Even though I bought another one it still got me mad. BTW I got my new Genesis for just 5 dollars!
Due to the fact that you have been playing backups on it has been a factor on the way your DC's motor and laser are now acting hence not being able play any games anymore, dont blame Sega for the problems on your DC that you have caused!.

I have had my Japanese Launch DC since December 1998 and it is still going as if it were brand new (not a single fault).

If you want to look at badly produced consoles go look at the first model Playstation and the Playstation 2 I dont know a single person that hasnt had a laser problem with them. I myself have had 3 Playstations (one after another having the jumpy FMV syndrome then suddenly deciding not to load a single game) and my Japanese PS2 has started showing problems over the last few months.
Well i agree with Kron that backups are a stupid idea and that its your fault that the dreamcast broke. But with the comment about the faulty Playstations and PS2s, my PS2 is fine, (granted it's only 10 months old) but ive opened it up to check the insides twice now. and my PSX i bought in 98, and it works quite fine as well.
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Post by BlackAura » Sun Sep 15, 2002 11:05 pm

Those PSX and PS2s were not the launch versions. They were probably 6th revision PS2, and at least 3rd or 4th revision PSX. By then, they had sorted out a lot of the problems, but the original Japanese PSX/PS2s were very badly made.
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Post by Heliophobe » Mon Sep 16, 2002 12:35 am

I think we're destined to see more modern consoles fail that in earlier days - in addition to the very powerful components they're expected to shoehorn into a small, cheap package, all modern platforms have moving parts - The Dreamcast has the drive motor, the laser arm, and a cooling fan (or 2?). These things tend to wear out faster than solid state technology.

True of the old stuff, too - my Atari 800 still works, but the disk drive is long since dead. My Amiga 500 works, but the hard drive failed long ago.



I also had a PSX die on me, it still starts up but the drive can't read discs any more. I got it around the time that PSX's dropped in price from $299 to $199. These things happen.
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Post by dude322mg » Mon Sep 16, 2002 1:17 am

The Kron wrote:
dude322mg wrote:Yea, but I treat all my systems with great care and my SNES still works great but my dreamcast brakes within 3 years? I think thats fu cked up and my Genesis also broke! Even though I bought another one it still got me mad. BTW I got my new Genesis for just 5 dollars!
Due to the fact that you have been playing backups on it has been a factor on the way your DC's motor and laser are now acting hence not being able play any games anymore, dont blame Sega for the problems on your DC that you have caused!.

I have had my Japanese Launch DC since December 1998 and it is still going as if it were brand new (not a single fault).

If you want to look at badly produced consoles go look at the first model Playstation and the Playstation 2 I dont know a single person that hasnt had a laser problem with them. I myself have had 3 Playstations (one after another having the jumpy FMV syndrome then suddenly deciding not to load a single game) and my Japanese PS2 has started showing problems over the last few months.
O...K... how the hell would you know that I run back-ups?

Oh and I never had a problem with my playstation or my PS2. Yet all my sega systems break. And even if I did run back-up's, EVERYONE hear runs CD-R's on there dreamcasts whether it'd be back-ups, emu's, homebrew games, ect... ect...
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Post by dude322mg » Mon Sep 16, 2002 1:26 am

Heliophobe wrote:I also had a PSX die on me, it still starts up but the drive can't read discs any more. I got it around the time that PSX's dropped in price from $299 to $199. These things happen.
Oh well lets all just assume now that Heliophobe is running backups. Its your fault your PSX broke, dont blame Sony for your problems :roll:
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Post by Gmc » Mon Sep 16, 2002 1:27 am

Man, just adjust the pot on the Dreamcasts laser, little by little till it reads games again.

I've had my Dreamcast for 2 years now, and its working as well as it did as when I bought the thing. However, I wish I could say my PS2 would do that, has problems reading DVD games sometimes.
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Post by dude322mg » Mon Sep 16, 2002 1:30 am

Dude, arent all PS2 games DVD-ROM's?
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Post by Gmc » Mon Sep 16, 2002 1:59 am

Nope, some are CD, most are DVD.
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Post by BlackAura » Mon Sep 16, 2002 3:38 am

dude322mg - DC backups are a very specific case. The DC games were designed to run from a GD, not a CD. If you transfer them to a CD, you have to move all the data around. That data was ordered carefully to not wear the drive out, and to make it load faster. Backups loose this, making the drive work much harder during the game.

DC homebrew stuff is usually OK, because it hardly accesses the CD at all. Emulators read at most a couple of megs from one continuous file at startup, and that's nothing.

PSX backups are the same media as the originals, as are many PS2 backups. That means that they will wear the drive just as fast as a normal game will, because the things are nearly identical.
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Post by The Kron » Mon Sep 16, 2002 4:45 am

dude322mg wrote:O...K... how the hell would you know that I run back-ups?
Because I remember when you started on this site you ran a hotline server that had DCwarez on it, and in your early posting life you were very obvious.
dude322mg wrote:And even if I did run back-up's, EVERYONE hear runs CD-R's on there dreamcasts whether it'd be back-ups, emu's, homebrew games
Answered above by BlackAura, the way an emulator and warezed game run from a cdr are different. Emus and roms access the drive for a limited time, but a backup game is constantly using the drive and making it work harder.
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Post by reaper2k2 » Mon Sep 16, 2002 5:32 am

Ive never had a sega system die yet i have a sega 3000 for god's sake lol

the one before the mastersystem it works fine even today it was made 1983,

as for the back up thing thats some what true though some emulators like dreamsnes thats got no roms list will wear out your dc much faster

really though my dc is the first 1998 version and when i bought it it came with about 30 backups its showing no signs of wear at the moment


in aussie most of the dc games never came here the only way to buy them is backups for some game's people charge almost the some money as the real disk Lmao

ive replaced most of the backs with real dc games though by now i just like to have the real thing since im a collector of these things.....

ive replaced 25 of the the 30 now with real games

wish i could buy D2 i pay $50 au for it if i could
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Post by mariobro » Mon Sep 16, 2002 6:07 am

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Yeah, I think the problem lies in the media format...

Just look at a sports game, where the drive is constantly accesing the disc.

Also, miniaturization. I, personally, could have lived with a bigger dreamcast, with better cooling, and an outboard power supply.

These things are meant for entertainment, so they shouldn't be that fragile.

it's very frustrating when the most complex components in a console (main processor, GPU) are in perfect condition, and its only the pickup (laser) that's busted.

But as they've said, the PS had its fair share of problems...

It's also frustrating when you're trying to assemble a nice collection of original games (45 in my case), and your console breaks, and some dork with 150 backups enjoys his DC with no problems whatsoever...
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