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Girl raped; Onlookers do nothing.

Post by U-said-it » Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:36 am

Richmond, California (CNN) -- Investigators say as many as 20 people were involved in or stood and watched the gang rape of a 15-year-old girl outside a California high school homecoming dance Saturday night.

Police posted a $20,000 reward Tuesday for anyone who comes to them with information that helps arrest and convict those involved in what authorities describe as a 2½-hour assault on the Richmond High School campus in suburban San Francisco.

Two teenage suspects have been jailed, but more arrests, as many as 20 total, are expected, according to a police detective.
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My biggest question isn't what should happen to the participants in the assault, but what should the repercussions be for the onlookers?
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Post by Quzar » Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:26 pm

It happens frequently enough for psychological studies into the phenomenon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitty_Genovese and 'The Bystander Effect'
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Post by Jeeba Jabba » Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:08 am

It's about time more people get raped.
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Post by Lartrak » Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:01 am

My biggest question isn't what should happen to the participants in the assault, but what should the repercussions be for the onlookers?
Nothing, in a legal sense. Duty to report/intervene laws are wrong. And in any case, don't exist in California except for crimes against children under 14. Which is even stupider that they specify an age limit like that.
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Post by U-said-it » Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:28 pm

Lartrak wrote:Duty to report/intervene laws are wrong.
I don't think people should have any legal responsibility to be an extension of law enforcement.

Like if you witnessed someone doing drugs, didn't report them, and got into legal trouble yourself. Now that's retarded, and hopefully it will never happen.

But witnessing a violent crime like this, and not reporting it, let alone when it's happening, should legally make you a participant in the crime.
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Post by Lartrak » Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:10 am

U-said-it wrote:
Lartrak wrote:Duty to report/intervene laws are wrong.
I don't think people should have any legal responsibility to be an extension of law enforcement.
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But witnessing a violent crime like this, and not reporting it, let alone when it's happening, should legally make you a participant in the crime.
Those two positions can't be reconciled.
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Post by U-said-it » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:14 am

I don't think people should have any legal responsibility to be an extension of law enforcement.
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But witnessing a violent crime like this, and not reporting it, let alone when it's happening, should legally make you a participant in the crime.
Those two positions can't be reconciled.
How is phoning in a report considered law enforcement? Attempting to mimic the duties of an officer, I would consider law enforcement, and it'd be considered vigilantism if it wasn't condoned.

Situations like this could have been considerably escalated, leading to harm to the initial victim, or the vigilante trying to intervene.
But witnessing a violent crime like this, and not reporting it, let alone when it's happening, should legally make you a participant in the crime.
I'd consider this more of a citizen's duty, resulting in the proper liabilities.
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Post by Chilly Willy » Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:13 pm

U-said-it wrote:I'd consider this more of a citizen's duty, resulting in the proper liabilities.
Yes, you aren't requiring people to actually step in and try to stop a crime, merely attempt to summon the proper authorities who's job it is to do so. Even if it's not the law, it's at least common sense. Why do you call the fire department if your neighbor's house is on fire? Because it can affect you as well. Same thing here - you call the cops because those rapists may affect your family or friends as well.
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