Byzantine Empire = Medieval Roman Empire

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Byzantine Empire = Medieval Roman Empire

Post by Kaiser » Fri May 23, 2008 5:28 am

This is going to be one large argument I imagine.

I try to prove:
The Byzantine Empire is the continuation of the Eastern Roman Empire in the medieval age.



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Re: Byzantine Empire = Medieval Roman Empire

Post by AgentGreen » Fri May 23, 2008 7:16 pm

You sound like someone who just wandered out of their high-school sophomore class and got a wild hare up their ass to come post about it on an internet forum.
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Re: Byzantine Empire = Medieval Roman Empire

Post by Kaiser » Fri May 23, 2008 7:41 pm

I suppose it comes off like that with such a random topic being my first post/thread. :P

Darc and myself were arguing about it on IRC for awhile last night and I decided to make a thread for it. I'm too stubborn to lose this one like our other debate.
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Re: Byzantine Empire = Medieval Roman Empire

Post by BlueCrab » Fri May 23, 2008 10:13 pm

Nice to see you around these parts, Kaiser. Especially since I don't intend on going back to dcemu.co.uk until wraggster straightens out.
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Re: Byzantine Empire = Medieval Roman Empire

Post by Mark30001 » Fri May 23, 2008 10:47 pm

Well wtf happened to the staff forum there? It points to Wikipedia's Bible entry (not even kidding lol).
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Re: Byzantine Empire = Medieval Roman Empire

Post by BlueCrab » Fri May 23, 2008 11:13 pm

Mark30001 wrote:Well wtf happened to the staff forum there? It points to Wikipedia's Bible entry (not even kidding lol).
Heh. That's pretty funny actually, and not the first time that something like that has happened (a couple of forums there directed to some odd site a couple of weeks ago).
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Re: Byzantine Empire = Medieval Roman Empire

Post by butters » Sat May 24, 2008 8:59 pm

Let me add fuel to the fire. How about the thought that the European Union is/will become a new Roman Empire.
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Re: Byzantine Empire = Medieval Roman Empire

Post by Roofus » Sun May 25, 2008 1:54 am

butters wrote:Let me add fuel to the fire. How about the thought that the European Union is/will become a new Roman Empire.

Why does it have to be a new Roman Empire? There have been many empires since Rome. A lot of them more successful too.
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Re: Byzantine Empire = Medieval Roman Empire

Post by Lartrak » Sun May 25, 2008 12:26 pm

Roofus wrote:
butters wrote:Let me add fuel to the fire. How about the thought that the European Union is/will become a new Roman Empire.

Why does it have to be a new Roman Empire? There have been many empires since Rome. A lot of them more successful too.
How do you define success? In size, I'd say yes, there have certainly been bigger empires. I'm not so sure you could say so in longevity, depending on when you want to label the empire's death.
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Re: Byzantine Empire = Medieval Roman Empire

Post by butters » Sun May 25, 2008 1:24 pm

Roofus wrote:
butters wrote:Let me add fuel to the fire. How about the thought that the European Union is/will become a new Roman Empire.

Why does it have to be a new Roman Empire? There have been many empires since Rome. A lot of them more successful too.
Can you think of another empire that had as great of an effect on culture?
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Re: Byzantine Empire = Medieval Roman Empire

Post by Ex-Cyber » Sun May 25, 2008 2:37 pm

butters wrote:Can you think of another empire that had as great of an effect on culture?
The extent of effect on culture is subjective, but what about the British Empire? In particular, the English language is quite widespread (IIRC estimated at third in number of native speakers after Mandarin and Spanish, and first in number of total speakers). Some of that can probably be ascribed to the US's post-WW2 "superpower" status, but I'm pretty sure it was the British Empire that got the ball rolling.
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Re: Byzantine Empire = Medieval Roman Empire

Post by butters » Sun May 25, 2008 4:38 pm

Ex-Cyber wrote:
butters wrote:Can you think of another empire that had as great of an effect on culture?
The extent of effect on culture is subjective, but what about the British Empire? In particular, the English language is quite widespread (IIRC estimated at third in number of native speakers after Mandarin and Spanish, and first in number of total speakers). Some of that can probably be ascribed to the US's post-WW2 "superpower" status, but I'm pretty sure it was the British Empire that got the ball rolling.
My understanding is that Greece and Rome formed the foundation of western civilization, but it's been quite some time since I've taken a history class.
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Re: Byzantine Empire = Medieval Roman Empire

Post by Ex-Cyber » Sun May 25, 2008 6:22 pm

butters wrote:
Ex-Cyber wrote:
butters wrote:Can you think of another empire that had as great of an effect on culture?
The extent of effect on culture is subjective, but what about the British Empire? In particular, the English language is quite widespread (IIRC estimated at third in number of native speakers after Mandarin and Spanish, and first in number of total speakers). Some of that can probably be ascribed to the US's post-WW2 "superpower" status, but I'm pretty sure it was the British Empire that got the ball rolling.
My understanding is that Greece and Rome formed the foundation of western civilization, but it's been quite some time since I've taken a history class.
Like I said, it's subjective; does the influence of the Catholic Church in the wake of the empire's downfall count, for example? The answer to that kind of question totally changes the picture.
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Re: Byzantine Empire = Medieval Roman Empire

Post by Roofus » Mon May 26, 2008 12:33 am

butters wrote:
Roofus wrote:
butters wrote:Let me add fuel to the fire. How about the thought that the European Union is/will become a new Roman Empire.

Why does it have to be a new Roman Empire? There have been many empires since Rome. A lot of them more successful too.
Can you think of another empire that had as great of an effect on culture?
The British Empire had a pretty profound effect on India. You can also trace many of the Middle East's and Africa's problems back to it.
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Re: Byzantine Empire = Medieval Roman Empire

Post by S. Thompson » Mon May 26, 2008 1:09 am

The Ottoman Empire is supremely underrated.

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Re: Byzantine Empire = Medieval Roman Empire

Post by Kaiser » Mon May 26, 2008 4:38 pm

Seems the argument died before it began. Well next time me and darc have a history related argument over IRC (which will most certainly happen) I'll keep this thread in mind and link it to him.
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Re: Byzantine Empire = Medieval Roman Empire

Post by Jeeba Jabba » Mon May 26, 2008 5:20 pm

Well, as it existed, the Byzantine Empire was the Roman Empire. The term 'Byzantine Empire' wasn't coined until the 1700-1800s by a certain philosopher whose name escapes me right now.

In its time, the people and government of the empire were simply referred to by the rest of Europe as, 'the Greeks' and 'the Emperor'.
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Re: Byzantine Empire = Medieval Roman Empire

Post by Jeeba Jabba » Tue May 27, 2008 4:20 pm

S. Thompson wrote:The Ottoman Empire is supremely underrated.

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Granted, but it left no cultural imprint on the lands it touched (with the exception of Islam in the balkans). It was more like an extended military junta, whose offices and capital moved with whomever was in power. It wasn't extremely stable, but it was definitely one of the biggest empires in our world's history. I could almost respect it if they hadn't completely neglected all of the ancient wonders of Greece and Egypt.

If you are really interested in the Ottoman Empire, I'd suggest a book by Colin Timber. It's a rigid read, but will satisfy anyone's thirst for knowledge on how the Ottoman government and army really functioned and operated.
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