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Jack Thompson vs. Halo

Post by DaMadFiddler » Wed May 23, 2007 6:05 pm

Do you ever get the feeling of a bossy little kid surrounded by bigger, older kids who are ignoring what he's telling them...running around and shooting his mouth off at them, trying to get them to play by his rules, but never accomplishing anything because there are too many for him to stay focused? That's about how I see Jack Thompson when he sends out his industry threats.

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Giant Douche wrote:Bill Gates

Microsoft Corporation

Redmond, Washington



Re: Halo 3



Dear Mr. Gates:



As you know, the Federal Trade Commission has repeatedly found that games rated “Mature” by the video game industry-captured Entertainment Software Rating Board are routinely sold to kids under the age of 17 despite the age rating. The most recent failure rate of the ratings on “Mature” games, according to the FTC, is 42%. The entire rating system is a fraud, and “broken,” the latter description aptly provided by Senator Hillary Clinton.



As you also know, Lee Boyd Malvo trained on Microsoft’s Halo to further enable him to become the remarkably efficient “DC Beltway Sniper.” That was reported by NBC News at the time and was noted in Malvo’s criminal trial.



You appeared on CBS’ 60 Minutes II and rather revealing and usefully noted that “the cool thing about these games is that they transport you to a world you think is real.” Precisely. Capcom has recently disclosed to investors that your video game industry’s violent games, sold to children, pose a real hazard to the health of the industry. Right on.



The hyperviolent Microsoft Xbox 360 game Halo 3 is scheduled by your company for commercial release in September of this year. The Beta version that was released last week shows us all just how violent the game is and how inappropriate it is for play by anyone under 17, as the “Mature” rating it will surely receive indicates.



Here’s the deal, Mr. Gates: Either Microsoft undertakes dramatic, real steps, through its marketing, wholesale, and retail operations to assure that Halo 3 is not sold, via the Internet and in stores, directly to anyone under 17, or I shall proceed to make sure that Microsoft is held to that standard by appropriate legal means. I have done that before successfully as to Best Buy, and I shall do so again as to Microsoft and all retailers of Halo 3.



Regards, Jack Thompson
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Re: Jack Thompson vs. Halo

Post by SuperMegatron » Wed May 23, 2007 7:12 pm

He is being a dick with his tone, but I don't see anything wrong with making sure a M rated game is kept from kids.
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Re: Jack Thompson vs. Halo

Post by butters » Wed May 23, 2007 8:34 pm

SuperMegatron wrote:He is being a dick with his tone, but I don't see anything wrong with making sure a M rated game is kept from kids.
As nice as that might sound, any law that restricts the sale of video games has been struck down as unconstitutional. Arguing to a judge without a law in your favor is just frivolous...
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Re: Jack Thompson vs. Halo

Post by hearld500 » Wed May 23, 2007 9:02 pm

The man is an attention whore. Plain and simple.
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Re: Jack Thompson vs. Halo

Post by ace » Wed May 23, 2007 10:03 pm

a.) That was horribly composed, especially considering this man has a law degree

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Thompson wrote:The hyperviolent Microsoft Xbox 360 game Halo 3 is scheduled by your company for commercial release in September of this year. The Beta version that was released last week shows us all just how violent the game is and how inappropriate it is for play by anyone under 17, as the “Mature” rating it will surely receive indicates.
So a year makes all the difference?
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Re: Jack Thompson vs. Halo

Post by AgentGreen » Thu May 24, 2007 2:47 am

I'm convinced that at one time, Jack Thompson was a respectable lawyer who treated his profession with respect.

But then a crazy alien earwig crawled into his brain and ate the part that keeps someone from going crazy. Now everyone is too afraid to take away his license to practice law because if you take the prized possession of a crazy man, he's liable to eat your face.

At least that's my theory, it's the only thing that makes logical sense...
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Re: Jack Thompson vs. Halo

Post by APE » Thu May 24, 2007 9:54 am

I think lawyers should be disbarred from filing their own lawsuits. It's like letting a cop write his own tickets, they get to choose precisely what benefits them.
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Post by Christuserloeser » Thu May 24, 2007 6:14 pm

Ah, that's okay. Let the man send his mails. Imagine you'd take away his license and he'd have to search for other hobbies. Guess he'd discover his interest in little boys - or start hunting for human flesh.
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Post by Veggita2099 » Fri May 25, 2007 11:51 am

IT seems to me his major bitch this time is just the sales of this game to minors. Seems to me if he is supposedly concerned about that he should be talking to the stores that sell the game. I don't have a problem with being carded for a M rated game. I know Wal-mart does, I am sure other stores do it. Far as the stupid parents who buy there 10 year old kids GTA games thats not Microsofts or anybody elses fault other then the parent.
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Re: Jack Thompson vs. Halo

Post by Jaded JAaron77 » Sat May 26, 2007 12:12 am

:roll:

It doesn't matter what laws are in place preventing games from being directly sold to an age group when there are parents that blindly buy whatever their kids ask for. ... They're going to get their hands on it regardless...

grr

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Re: Jack Thompson vs. Halo

Post by mkfreak » Thu May 31, 2007 12:03 pm

Fuck this guy. I was playing Mortal Kombat when I was f'ing ten. It's not going to do anyting, cause there parents and friends are just going to buy it for them, if not, they'll play it anyways. This guy is dumb, and what he does is useless. We got more things to worry about besides the sales of M rated games to minors. lol
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Re: Jack Thompson vs. Halo

Post by DARKHALO2K » Thu May 31, 2007 1:30 pm

I dunno, I think he might be right...I mean, if games have taught us anything it's that we can kill whoever we like, as they only need to hit the right shoulder button afterwards in order to respawn.
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Re: Jack Thompson vs. Halo

Post by DaMadFiddler » Thu May 31, 2007 4:16 pm

Man, I wish I could just hit *my* shoulder and respawn...I tried pressing it, but it didn't do anything.
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Re: Jack Thompson vs. Halo

Post by Lartrak » Thu May 31, 2007 10:53 pm

DaMadFiddler wrote:Man, I wish I could just hit *my* shoulder and respawn...I tried pressing it, but it didn't do anything.
Wait... The Fiddler is dead???

That's... Just... :cry:
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Post by APE » Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:32 am

IMO if they pass that law and not one for other media such as movies and music it should be unconstitutional. Completely unfair to single out video games and not movies. There were far more kids watching Spider Man 3 that were well under 10 than I have ever seen play a kiosk game anywhere. Of course once they realize they have no ability to play it they give up fast.
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Re: Jack Thompson vs. Halo

Post by DaMadFiddler » Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:58 pm

The exact same thing will happen that has happened in every other state.

The ESA will sue on grounds that it is unconstitutional.

The courts will decide in their favor, and toss the law.

The taxpayers will end up footing the bill for millions in court costs because these jackasses insist on trying to pass these inane laws.
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Re: Jack Thompson vs. Halo

Post by Strapping Scherzo » Fri Jun 01, 2007 1:47 pm

I don't think it's Microsoft's or any video game company's problem. They make the games, put the "M" on it exactly like the law tells them to. So how is it their problem that GameStop, ebGames or some online store is selling them to kids under 17 at point-of-sale? It's like cigarettes. Is the manufactuer liable because the local 7-eleven sells to people under 18? I don't think so.
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Re: Jack Thompson vs. Halo

Post by Lartrak » Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:00 pm

APE wrote:IMO if they pass that law and not one for other media such as movies and music it should be unconstitutional. Completely unfair to single out video games and not movies. There were far more kids watching Spider Man 3 that were well under 10 than I have ever seen play a kiosk game anywhere. Of course once they realize they have no ability to play it they give up fast.
It's unconstitutional period, regardless of whether they're singled out. The first amendment is extremely broad, and as it stands now restriction to almost any material like this from anyone is a violation of it.

I'm not really clear how this applies to pornography though, as I know that generally is an exception. Anyone up for trying to explain that one?

BTW, this is also unapplicable. This would also cause the Mature rating to be de facto for 18 and up only, since at 17, you're still a minor. There are also Teen games that have "dismemberment", "evisceration" and "physical torture" of human beings. There are probably E games that have some variation of those actually. It would be next to impossible for stores to figure out what they could and couldn't sell.

BTW, why is it apparently OK to see non-humans being dismembered, eviscerated, raped and tortured, but humans are off limits? I've always thought that was a bunch of crap. It works that way to some extent with MPAA ratings, where violence against any entity that isn't human is much more acceptable (whether that be non-human animals, aliens, whatever).
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Re: Jack Thompson vs. Halo

Post by 404NotFound » Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:33 am

Strapping Scherzo wrote:I don't think it's Microsoft's or any video game company's problem. They make the games, put the "M" on it exactly like the law tells them to. So how is it their problem that GameStop, ebGames or some online store is selling them to kids under 17 at point-of-sale? It's like cigarettes. Is the manufactuer liable because the local 7-eleven sells to people under 18? I don't think so.

The law in the US actually isn't even that restrictive.

the ESRB is a self-regulating body, put in place during the Mortal Kombat controversies of the 90s.

A game doesn't NEED a rating AT ALL to be sold, it's more of a market force in that stores may not carry the game unless it's rated.

Much in the same way, movies don't need ratings and theaters don't have to make sure someone is over 17 to see an R-rated movie. It's all industry regulation.
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Re: Jack Thompson vs. Halo

Post by Lartrak » Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:26 pm

404NotFound wrote:
Strapping Scherzo wrote:I don't think it's Microsoft's or any video game company's problem. They make the games, put the "M" on it exactly like the law tells them to. So how is it their problem that GameStop, ebGames or some online store is selling them to kids under 17 at point-of-sale? It's like cigarettes. Is the manufactuer liable because the local 7-eleven sells to people under 18? I don't think so.

The law in the US actually isn't even that restrictive.

the ESRB is a self-regulating body, put in place during the Mortal Kombat controversies of the 90s.

A game doesn't NEED a rating AT ALL to be sold, it's more of a market force in that stores may not carry the game unless it's rated.

Much in the same way, movies don't need ratings and theaters don't have to make sure someone is over 17 to see an R-rated movie. It's all industry regulation.
In both cases, self regulation came about because of fear of the government stepping in. That was far more likely to occur with film though, as the late 20s and early 30s (when the Hayes code came around, 1933 is the exact year it was established if memory serves) were a MUCH worse period for self expression than the US of the 90s and today.
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