Republicans Love Torture

DaMadFiddler · Post by **DaMadFiddler** » Wed May 16, 2007 2:46 pm

From the GOP Presidential debate, hosted by Fox News:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPd9yjvF7Mw

This is truly frightening. I don't think I even *NEED* to explain the many, many things wrong with this, and where it would inevitably end up.

Post by **Roofus** » Wed May 16, 2007 2:49 pm

The host asked about enhanced interrogation and Giulianni specifically said "not torture."

Hard work, 9/11, why do you hate America, etc.

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DaMadFiddler · Post by **DaMadFiddler** » Wed May 16, 2007 3:03 pm

Oh, right. "Enhanced interrogation."

Sorry; I forgot that things aren't as bad if you rename them.

zman · Post by **zman** » Wed May 16, 2007 3:36 pm

What torture...

I don't see any heads rolling on the floor...

The prisoners are not made to watch old episodes of Survivor. Com' on its' all good.

Ex-Cyber · Post by **Ex-Cyber** » Wed May 16, 2007 8:08 pm

I'm not sure which reveals more about the mindset: the responses, or the idea that the scenario was especially plausible to begin with.

Lartrak · Post by **Lartrak** » Wed May 16, 2007 10:35 pm

zman wrote:What torture...

I don't see any heads rolling on the floor...

The prisoners are not made to watch old episodes of Survivor. Com' on its' all good.

Decapitation isn't torture. That's called execution.

Waterboarding is torture. I don't see how it can possibly be argued that it isn't. Is it not because it doesn't leave permenant physical damage? In other words, could they also rip out fingernails and use bamboo shoots?

Egotistical EvilN · Post by **Egotistical EvilN** » Thu May 17, 2007 2:21 am

Would using a ducking stool be considered torture by you?

Covar · Post by **Covar** » Thu May 17, 2007 5:54 am

remember the only way to get top secret information from your enemies that could save the life of hundreds of people is to ask nicely and say please. if they don't tell you what you need to know they are obviously poor innocent victims.

Ex-Cyber · Post by **Ex-Cyber** » Thu May 17, 2007 6:10 am

Covar wrote:remember the only way to get top secret information from your enemies that could save the life of hundreds of people is to ask nicely and say please. if they don't tell you what you need to know they are obviously poor innocent victims.

And natually, anything they say if tortured is clearly 100% actionable information and couldn't possibly be a waste of your time produced by someone whose #1 concern is saying anything they think will get the torture to stop.

SuperMegatron · Post by **SuperMegatron** » Thu May 17, 2007 6:17 am

I dont know why we dont just give them truth serum then question them.

Ex-Cyber · Post by **Ex-Cyber** » Thu May 17, 2007 8:25 am

SuperMegatron wrote:I dont know why we dont just give them truth serum then question them.

Probably because there's no such thing as a real "truth serum", just drugs that make it more difficult to lie coherently.

Post by **Roofus** » Thu May 17, 2007 8:35 am

Covar wrote:remember the only way to get top secret information from your enemies that could save the life of hundreds of people is to ask nicely and say please. if they don't tell you what you need to know they are obviously poor innocent victims.

Turn it around: If it's morally OK for us to torture one of them to save hundreds of our lives, then we can't complain when they torture one of our guys to save hundreds of their lives.

APE · Post by **APE** » Thu May 17, 2007 9:45 am

Roofus wrote:
Covar wrote:remember the only way to get top secret information from your enemies that could save the life of hundreds of people is to ask nicely and say please. if they don't tell you what you need to know they are obviously poor innocent victims.
Turn it around: If it's morally OK for us to torture one of them to save hundreds of our lives, then we can't complain when they torture one of our guys to save hundreds of their lives.

Fairs fair.

It's also been proven that information gathered from torture is never accurate and is basically worthless. Anyone will say anything to save their ass unless they're determined. From what I've read about detainees being released they constantly used tactics that have their friends ratting them out (when they wouldn't and couldn't because they were essentially civilians with no ties to anything military) and pictures where they point to a random guy, say it is them, then keep repeating this process with a mix up to hopefully get a confession out of them, real or not.

The Geneva convention denies torture, our constitution denies torture. If you can't accept the latter you aren't an American and should promptly report for deportation. The constitution stands above all.

Lartrak · Post by **Lartrak** » Thu May 17, 2007 2:00 pm

Egotistical EvilN wrote:Would using a ducking stool be considered torture by you?

Depends on how it is used. But generally yes. They've killed people with them before.