Firefox rant about its best (not readily noticed) feature...

nakamichi · Post by **nakamichi** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:49 pm

EDIT

Opera is good,but your privacy is not guaranteed when you use it,despite those from Opera Software telling you the opposite.
Firefox is better in this area.
and you can cripple any webpage to get more speed and less things you don't want,using that AdBlock extension.

spaghetti · Post by **spaghetti** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 2:42 pm

nakamichi wrote:Firefox page loading slow? Hahaha,you must be kidding.

Try the "Tweak Network Settings" extension and set it to POWER.
Then you'll see the real speed of Firefox.

Opera is quite a bit faster without extensions. It can manage multiple connection threads better, access its own cache quickly, and even make logical guesses as to the appearance of a page and rendering it until it's fully loaded. On a 21Kbps connection, these improvements are clear as day. And there isn't a several second lag pressing the back button.

And you can't compare a browser after plugins/customizations to one straight out of the box. Straight out of the box Opera has many of the features you mentioned you can get with plugins.

sixteen-bit · Post by **sixteen-bit** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 3:14 pm

nakamichi wrote:? The CPU loads... they almost match?
(or the red line shows VERY LITTLE CPU usage?)
Which one is from Opera? the red or the green diagram?
hmmm...seems like they use very similar rendering engine and optimizations
...or one of the browsers uses a lot less resources?

It doesn't show clearly but there were four red lines (ok ok 3 red lines and one dot) showing the start and end of page rendering. The first spike is opera and the second is firefox. I've edited the image to show this.

Firefox expends much more effort to render a complex page than opera does, to the point of using almost all CPU cycles for a second or two.

nakamichi · Post by **nakamichi** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 3:37 pm

I noticed that in Firefox.
Firefox stresses the CPU badly for about 1 to 1.5 seconds when loading pages with JAVASCRIPT-based content.
Just open that forbidden *EDIT* page which uses loads of Javascript,show those news from the previous day and you'll see what I mean :)
Really stressing the CPU over 90% on a AMD XP2200+ machine

Firthy2002 · Post by **Firthy2002** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 5:28 pm

nakamichi wrote: and you can cripple any webpage to get more speed and less things you don't want,using that AdBlock extension.

I love AdBlock. It's like going back to the old days of the Internet, before it was infested with ads.

Veggita2099 · Post by **Veggita2099** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 9:15 pm

I have found a few sites that will not work with Firefox. However I have been useing firefox for awhile now.

nakamichi · Post by **nakamichi** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 12:44 am

If there was AdBlock and ImageZoom for Opera,I'll use only Opera and never install Firefox again (Opera is that good)...BUT as there are no such features in Opera for now,I use Firefox more than Opera.

nakamichi · Post by **nakamichi** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 12:47 am

...I can't stand the loads of ads in sites such as Gamespot.com *ugh!*,just to read a tiny review about a game for a old system. AdBlock makes me breathe fresh air,free of ads.

Pyrite · Post by **Pyrite** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 1:43 am

Agreed Opera really needs something like Adblock, its really cool for blocking single images like when some smartass decides to put a 300KB avatar or for blocking flash ads.

Overal they both have their qualities, if Firefox had mouse gestures and "Past and go" from the start it would be a tough choice.

Wagh · Post by **Wagh** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 4:36 pm

nakamichi wrote:? The CPU loads... they almost match?
(or the red line shows VERY LITTLE CPU usage?)
Which one is from Opera? the red or the green diagram?
hmmm...seems like they use very similar rendering engine and optimizations
...or one of the browsers uses a lot less resources?

It's marked which is which. Opera uses less cpu for less time. It's a better bang for your non buck.

Post by **Quzar** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 5:52 pm

Random_Troll wrote:
nakamichi wrote:? The CPU loads... they almost match?
(or the red line shows VERY LITTLE CPU usage?)
Which one is from Opera? the red or the green diagram?
hmmm...seems like they use very similar rendering engine and optimizations
...or one of the browsers uses a lot less resources?
It's marked which is which. Opera uses less cpu for less time. It's a better bang for your non buck.

the picture was edited afterwards. the first revision only had some little red dots, not the big rectangles

AuroEdge · Post by **AuroEdge** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 6:55 pm

Veggita2099 wrote:I have found a few sites that will not work with Firefox. However I have been useing firefox for awhile now.

It's because Firefox follows HTML standards whereas IE doesn't. So if it works in IE, people don't feel the need to change

.

nakamichi · Post by **nakamichi** » Wed Nov 17, 2004 4:59 pm

Well,Opera doesn't display well those pages I visit often.(some French emu sites) and it just repeats pages again as a new frame inside the same window,instead of linking me to the download section :(

Also,I noticed that Opera's download manager also sucks,as the one in Firefox.
When you resume the download,it starts from the beginning! :(
(but the d/l manager in Opera is a bit more reliable than the one in Firefox.The FireFox d/l manager can screw up your download in the middle by downloading it incompletely and saying it's fully downloaded....ugh!

There's nothing better than a good reliable download manager for this.
So,I'm still using GetRight :)

Post by **Quzar** » Wed Nov 17, 2004 6:54 pm

nakamichi wrote:Also,I noticed that Opera's download manager also sucks,as the one in Firefox.
When you resume the download,it starts from the beginning!
(but the d/l manager in Opera is a bit more reliable than the one in Firefox.The FireFox d/l manager can screw up your download in the middle by downloading it incompletely and saying it's fully downloaded....ugh!

that doesnt happen all the time. especially not if you do the proper thing like you are supposed to and pause before you disconnect.