Neo4All/AES FAQ & Tutorial !

Post by **Christuserloeser** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 11:42 am

'Shocktroj.zip' is the Japanese Shock Troopers ROM set, but you need the other ROM 'shocktro.zip' or else the Prefetch won't apply

Check for an older MAME ROM set of 'mslugx.zip' - mine runs perfectly probably since I don't have the latest ROM sets.

Rangrisser: Concerning Ganryu - it is not emulated in Neo4All/AES as of yet.
AES.MOD is the music file for the emulator MENU, burning without AES.MOD won't affect compatibilty at all. Bang Bead I haven't tested. My ROM set isn't supported by the MVS - AES converter

nightstalker100 · Post by **nightstalker100** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 5:37 pm

I'm in awe youve got svc chaos working on the dreamcast. I remember when it was announced that there was a petition for a dc port but snk jumped off the sinking ship pretty fast. Has anyone else tried it on dc?

rangrisser · Post by **rangrisser** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 6:24 pm

Thanks christuserloeser^^
And I tested samurai shodown 5 special, It was working!!
I was surprised!!!

Sonic-NKT · Post by **Sonic-NKT** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 6:29 pm

this link just guides me to chuis site, right click and save as just saves me a broken, very small, archive...
is there another link? strange if this happens just me

rangrisser · Post by **rangrisser** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 6:32 pm

Sorry Sonic-nkt.
I want to e-mail neo4all aes files to you,Sonic-nkt.

Post by **Christuserloeser** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 9:10 pm

Sonic-NKT wrote:this link just guides me to chuis site, right click and save as just saves me a broken, very small, archive...
is there another link? strange if this happens just me

Sorry, fixed it in my initial post and at the Tutorial. Here's a quick link:

http://chui.dcemu.co.uk/releases/neo4all_aes-alpha.rar

InsaneDavid · Post by **InsaneDavid** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:46 am

I've got everything working but noticed something that may hang people up. Most of the time in a NeoGeo BIOS package if "ng-lo.rom" is present it will be the 128KByte version. However if it isn't present a 64KByte file called "000-lo.lo" usually is. "000-lo.lo" is the 64KByte version of "ng-lo.rom" - simply rename it to "ng-lo.rom" and you've got what you need.

Sonic-NKT · Post by **Sonic-NKT** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:37 am

hmm i tried SVC Chaos now, it works but again its unplayable.
its loading all the time, when i start a battle the games slows down at every new attack cause its not allready loaded. Is this normal, i thought for things like this the prefetch infos are there.. hmm perhaps someone can helpf me, the same is in shocktroopers.

rangrisser · Post by **rangrisser** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 5:18 pm

SVC chaos,try burn bios folder without aes.mod file,delete!

shocktroopers,try correct file!Shocktroopers 1&2 is work!!
Go!!go!!

Sonic-NKT · Post by **Sonic-NKT** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 6:29 pm

?hm... i really didnt understand your post

so what should i do with the bios? Burn, delete aes.mod? h??
do you mean i should delete it out of the neo4all folder ?

rangrisser · Post by **rangrisser** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 8:32 pm

yes,when U burning svc,delete aes.mod file(In Bios folder)

And I want to U burning like this

CDROM/BIOS(without aes.mod file)
/NEO4ALL
/PREFETCH
/ROMS
/1st_read.bin,ip.bin

rangrisser · Post by **rangrisser** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 9:03 pm

Today, I tested big size rom file.

King of fighters 2003 was playable,but when i played 4th stage,green color cover all of it.
Metal slug 3's sound was good, but graphic was gliches.
Rage of the dragon was neo geo logo and tile menu was done,but play was unplayable.

I will try more file!

Have a good the end of the year!!!!!

InsaneDavid · Post by **InsaneDavid** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:32 pm

I haven't started testing games yet but I went through the list of games and worked out the MAME file ID for each. There are some gaps since some of the games were not dumped when the MAME full filesets I have were released (v0.76 and v0.77). Additionally I have included a few alternate versions in the list, they may not be supported so it's always best to try Set 1 when there are multiple listings of games. I did this to avoid confusion concerning the filename for alternate sets, ie downloading and trying to run a Set 2 when Set 1 is the only file supported and not understanding why it won't work. The list is here -

http://www.startoursinfo.com/junk/mamelist01.html

I had to format it like that to keep fixed width text in line, I suppose it could be integrated into other formats, tutorials, etc. - whatever. Hopefully the list will make finding the games easier, it did for me going through my romsets.

Download it, use it, improve it.

Sonic-NKT · Post by **Sonic-NKT** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:06 am

@rangrisser:
i never had the a bios or prefetch folder on my CD...

my cd just look like this:

cd:
/Neo4all/(all the files in the folder, now with deleted aes.mod)
/*.aes (all my roms)
/1st_read,bin
/Ip.bin

rangrisser · Post by **rangrisser** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:46 am

when U extract neo4all/aes.zip file,U will see dreamcast and windows folder.
I windows folder you will see convertneo folder ,in this folder U will see bios folder and prefetch folder

and sorry!!sonic nkt.

,i said someting wrong previous post.....

In neo4all folder U will see aes.mod file, delete this file, then neo4all aes have no title BGM.
And in bios folder you must put 4 files.
aes_bios.bin,ng_lo.rom,sfix.sfx,ng_sfix.rom.
Sorry!!sonic-nkt

Sonic-NKT · Post by **Sonic-NKT** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 8:11 am

no problem.. ok then i have everything right.

EDIT:
so after burning the CD its still the same

everygame bigger than 16 MB (with prefetch info) is not playable.
i removed the aes.mod (the backgroundmusic) games are still loading everytime ingame so its makes it unplayable..
what do i do wrong, i have a normal pal dreamcast and every other homebrew works right for me...

my bios files look like this:
sfix.sfx (128KB)
ng-lo.rom (128KB)
ng-sfix.rom (128KB)
aes-bios.bin (uni bios 1.2, 128KB)

but i dont think its the bios.
its seems for me as if the prefetch infos wont work... but why?

DCmad · Post by **DCmad** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:18 pm

For everyone with folder structure problems, a dump of my neo4all-aes dir:

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neo4all_aes-alpha
 |_windows
 | |_convertneo
 | | |_convertneo.exe
 | | |_romrc
 | | |_bios
 | | | |_ng-sfix.rom
 | | | |_ng-lo.rom
 | | | |_sfix.sfx
 | | | |_aes-bios.bin
 | | |_prefetch
 | |   |_aof.pre
 | |   |_blazstar.pre
 | |   |_ctomaday.pre
 | |   |_magdrop3.pre
 | |   |_mslugx.pre
 | |   |_shocktro.pre
 | |   |_sonicwi3.pre
 | |   |_svcplus.pre
 | |   |_tws96.pre
 | |   |_zedblade.pre
 | |_emulator
 |   |_neo4all_aes.exe
 |   |_data
 |   | |_memcard.bin
 |   | |_startup.bin
 |   | |_background0.bmp
 |   | |_background1.bmp
 |   | |_background_aes.bmp
 |   | |_background_cd.bmp
 |   | |_loading.bmp
 |   | |_splash_aes.bmp
 |   | |_splash_cd.bmp
 |   | |_text.bmp
 |   | |_text2.bmp
 |   | |_window.bmp
 |   | |_aes.mod
 |   | |_cd.mod
 |   | |_patch.prg
 |   | |_colors.txt
 |   | |_beep.wav
 |   | |_error.wav
 |   | |_goodbye.wav
 |   | |_loading.wav
 |   | |_menu.wav
 |   | |_saving.wav
 |   |_roms
 |     |_svcplus.aes
 |     |_pulstar.aes
 |_dreamcast
   |_1st_read.bin
   |_IP.BIN
   |_roms
   | |_svcplus.aes
   | |_pulstar.aes
   |_neo4all
     |_memcard.bin
     |_startup.bin
     |_background0.bmp
     |_background1.bmp
     |_background_aes.bmp
     |_background_cd.bmp
     |_loading.bmp
     |_splash_aes.bmp
     |_splash_cd.bmp
     |_text.bmp
     |_text2.bmp
     |_window.bmp
     |_aes.mod
     |_cd.mod
     |_patch.prg
     |_colors.txt
     |_beep.wav
     |_error.wav
     |_goodbye.wav
     |_loading.wav
     |_menu.wav
     |_saving.wav
     |_lista.txt

InsaneDavid · Post by **InsaneDavid** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 8:56 pm

Sonic-NKT wrote:so after burning the CD its still the same
everygame bigger than 16 MB (with prefetch info) is not playable.
i removed the aes.mod (the backgroundmusic) games are still loading everytime ingame so its makes it unplayable..
what do i do wrong, i have a normal pal dreamcast and every other homebrew works right for me...

my bios files look like this:
sfix.sfx (128KB)
ng-lo.rom (128KB)
ng-sfix.rom (128KB)
aes-bios.bin (uni bios 1.2, 128KB)

but i dont think its the bios.
its seems for me as if the prefetch infos wont work... but why?

You need the 64KByte version of ng-lo.rom, not the 128KByte version - this is pointed out in the tutorial. Additionally if you are having trouble finding the file, refer to an earlier post I made here...

InsaneDavid wrote:I've got everything working but noticed something that may hang people up. Most of the time in a NeoGeo BIOS package if "ng-lo.rom" is present it will be the 128KByte version. However if it isn't present a 64KByte file called "000-lo.lo" usually is. "000-lo.lo" is the 64KByte version of "ng-lo.rom" - simply rename it to "ng-lo.rom" and you've got what you need.

rangrisser · Post by **rangrisser** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 10:24 pm

I was using 128kb ng-lo.rom.

So Insanedavid, 64kb ng-lo.rom is more game support??

Does anyone can choose other character at SVC chaos plus?

InsaneDavid · Post by **InsaneDavid** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 3:12 am

rangrisser wrote:I was using 128kb ng-lo.rom.
So Insanedavid, 64kb ng-lo.rom is more game support??

The tutorial that Christuserloeser wrote here...

http://www.dreamcast-scene.com/index.ph ... eo4All-AES

...says - "Pay attention to the ROM size! There are TWO DIFFERENT versions of "NG-LO.ROM", one is 128KByte in size, the other 64KByte. The 64KByte version is needed here."

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As for my testing I couldn't get the following games converted under ncGUI-

Art of Fighting / Ryuuko no Ken
Blue's Journey / Raguy
Breakers Revenge
Baseball Stars Professional
Fatal Fury Special / Garou Densetsu Special (Set 1)

I'm guessing that the MVS roms I have for those games are versions that cannot be injected with the AES BIOS and converted.

Additionally the ncGUI program, when catching one of these unconvertible ROMs, would stop working but no error screen would come up. However I would hear my default windows "error" sound. I would have to Crtl+Alt+Del to close ncGUI and would be left with it's two temporary text files chucked out of resident memory. Both text files would have null values (0 bytes) however since they were created but never given any data, Windows would not allow their deletion until I rebooted. This junk data caused Windows to assume there were bad disc clusters upon the next bootup (because they were null values again) and I got to spend hours waiting for the disk damage scan to complete. (it was 3 o'clock in the morning when it started

)

I need to search back through the forum at DCEmuUK to see who wrote the convertor program (not the GUI FE but the base program unless the FE is in fact a totally new program) to see if there is a way to prevent this. I'm VERY appriciative at how fast the tools and information concerning Neo4All/AES have fallen into place given how young the emulator is but it's an annoying error. The only way I can see getting around this would be to have ncGUI check the MVS ROMs to see if they are correct BEFORE attempting to convert them to AES ROMs - kind of like the "audit" feature in MAME that checks all available games against the current registered compatible file set. I'd do it myself but I'm a terrible programmer.