Cars Experimental

Johnnylee_hang · Post by **Johnnylee_hang** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:19 pm

Is it possible to or have anyone of you think of creating a car that uses water to run cars instead of gasoline?

Johnnylee_hang · Post by **Johnnylee_hang** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:29 pm

I find two article that talks about it. Here and Here.

If this really possible, do you think Government will proven to be use?

Matt · Post by **Matt** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:34 pm

Water doesn't burn, so you couldn't use it to fuel a modern combustion engine. You could go round in steam engines, but you have to remember that the replacement for oil, whatever it is has to be produced in huge quantitys and I think going back to steam is one of the last resorts.

As far as I can see ethanol would be an easy alternative to switch to, it still produces a few nasty gases but the world will keep moving. Thing is to convince producers to produce such large stocks in advance, counting on it to sell. The goverment would have to hand out some pretty big subsidies

Hawq · Post by **Hawq** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 1:39 pm

I could but no money to do it, plus the oil companies would try to kill anyone that made one

Warmachine · Post by **Warmachine** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 3:24 pm

Isnt there the Diseal mod to use vegetable oil? Cost's a lot though and not worth it...

Post by **pixel** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:25 pm

Buy ethanol and support corn growers. We need the support up here in the midwest.

hearld500 · Post by **hearld500** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:53 pm

pixel wrote:Buy ethanol and support corn growers. We need the support up here in the midwest.

I agree, we need to move towards that...quickly. Cheaper, better for our economy, and supports agriculture.
(runs off wheat too, which is a the only product here other then barly. It's also my summer job)

Post by **pixel** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 7:06 pm

I've never experienced any performance problems by using 10% ethanol, it's great stuff.

farrell2k · Post by **farrell2k** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:16 pm

pixel wrote:I've never experienced any performance problems by using 10% ethanol, it's great stuff.

Standard gas is 10% ethanol.

SinTex · Post by **SinTex** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 9:06 am

i think i have mentioned this before but Fuel Cell cars are still a no show for some reason, hmm wonder why.

I first saw one on BBC's TV prog Tomorrow's World about 4-5yrs ago, it was simply a normal car but in the boot it was full of cylinder tubes that created solar radiation & around the cylinders where small batteries collecting the energy & pumping it into a larger battery that powered the car fully with everything turned on, i.e. running music or movie all lights on going over 120mph etc

Vchat20 · Post by **Vchat20** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:49 pm

i think the main thing with fuel cells (iirc, they are the ones that only give off water as "exhaust") is that as soon as any O2 hits it, the fuel pretty much goes to waste without major reprocessing, so going from say the gas pump to the car needs to be an airtight seal. so far thats the only reason i can think of for it not being viable. feel free to correct me on any of this though.

Post by **Roofus** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 1:04 pm

The problem with running cars on water is that like matthemodder said, water doesn't burn. You can split water onto hydrogen and oxygen and hydrogen does burn quite well. Only problem with that is that it takes more energy to split the water than you'd get back out. Even if you could come up with a more efficient way of splitting water, you'd never be able to do it with less energy than you'd get back. Otherwise, you'd have a source of free energy and physics won't let you have that,

karter74 · Post by **karter74** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 4:28 pm

water can never be run in an internal combustion engine, EVER. water is not compressible therefore the engine would hydrolock and wreck havoc. IIRC you cannot run straight ethanol for reliability reasons. I know that I have run a drag car on methanol as it is a much better fuel and produces more power than gas as it burns cooler, creating a cooling affect on each power cycle. The main problem is that you must run a car much richer therefore killing gas mileage,(as if a drag racer cares) and if left in an engine for limited amount of time, becomes corrosive to all the aluminum in the engine.

SinTex · Post by **SinTex** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 6:26 pm

Oh looky here, soz i'm pissed

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03/17/hydrogen_cars/

toastman · Post by **toastman** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:46 pm

mattthemodder wrote:Water doesn't burn, so you couldn't use it to fuel a modern combustion engine. You could go round in steam engines, but you have to remember that the replacement for oil, whatever it is has to be produced in huge quantitys and I think going back to steam is one of the last resorts.

As far as I can see ethanol would be an easy alternative to switch to, it still produces a few nasty gases but the world will keep moving. Thing is to convince producers to produce such large stocks in advance, counting on it to sell. The goverment would have to hand out some pretty big subsidies

Water doesn't need to burn to produce energy.
Take Deuterium and Tritium, bond them together and they form Helium and a spare neutron, all the extra mass is converted into energy. Deuterium and Tritium are isotopes of Hydrogen, of which there is an abundance of on this planet.

404NotFound · Post by **404NotFound** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:09 pm

toastman wrote:
mattthemodder wrote:Water doesn't burn, so you couldn't use it to fuel a modern combustion engine. You could go round in steam engines, but you have to remember that the replacement for oil, whatever it is has to be produced in huge quantitys and I think going back to steam is one of the last resorts.

As far as I can see ethanol would be an easy alternative to switch to, it still produces a few nasty gases but the world will keep moving. Thing is to convince producers to produce such large stocks in advance, counting on it to sell. The goverment would have to hand out some pretty big subsidies
Water doesn't need to burn to produce energy.
Take Deuterium and Tritium, bond them together and they form Helium and a spare neutron, all the extra mass is converted into energy. Deuterium and Tritium are isotopes of Hydrogen, of which there is an abundance of on this planet.

Isn't Deuterium "Heavy water," an ingredient in atom bombs? Or maybe it was hydrogen bombs... i dunno.

mikozero · Post by **mikozero** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:40 pm

A-bomb i think,
Deuterium & Tritium are also both used as fuels for fusion reactors,
i've read that fusion rectors are apparently more stable and efficient the smaller they are, so if you could get one down to a decent size in the future,
it would run on water and provide heat, you'd probably shove that through a closed loop steam turbine (which afaik is the most efficient engine even created with a moving part)
and you'd have a fully water powered cars (with a miniature sun under the hood),
anyone like to predict times over the 1/4 mile....